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ghilis101 07-01-2015 02:37 AM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1919276)
I read the following on TA Facts they gave it a thumbs down: Section 1.E.9 allows unlimited international alter ego using company’s name, brand, logos, and livery with approval from MEC chairman only.

What are the current protections against this happening?

None outside of just the scope language. However its a thumbs down because the power is given to the MEC chair rather than by committee. Nobody likes it when one person holds the keys it destroys the system of checks and balances.

Incidentally im told the JV settlement was a one man show.

Hrkdrivr 07-01-2015 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by pilotfo64 (Post 1919152)
whats your base?

atl 717.....

Carl Spackler 07-01-2015 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1919276)
I read the following on TA Facts they gave it a thumbs down: Section 1.E.9 allows unlimited international alter ego using company’s name, brand, logos, and livery with approval from MEC chairman only.

What are the current protections against this happening?

Our current scope language prohibits it because it is not listed as permissible. This TA language allows it as permissible.

Once again, TAFacts are the facts.

Carl

LowPhlyer 07-01-2015 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 1919256)
After C2012, a couple of things happened. Bastian stated in a conference call that the profit sharing was going to pay for a portion of the pay raises. Delta invested in Virgin Atlantic, a refinery, GOL air lines and bought 76 seat RJ's.

If after C2015, they repeat the same pattern. Will any of you yes voters feel a little foolish? In other words, why did the company need concessions?

Did everyone miss the news in the past 10 days that Skymark Airlines has approached Ed Bastian about DAL investing in them? They have some A-380s on order and don't know how to pay for them...and DAL needs a partner in Asia...

Contract savings for DAL = an Asian partner to fly our passengers!

LP

gloopy 07-01-2015 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by LowPhlyer (Post 1919636)
Did everyone miss the news in the past 10 days that Skymark Airlines has approached Ed Bastian about DAL investing in them? They have some A-380s on order and don't know how to pay for them...and DAL needs a partner in Asia...

Contract savings for DAL = an Asian partner to fly our passengers!

LP

Sounds like it. And we're so sure of it that we already abandoned a hard fought for HND route.

fly2002 07-01-2015 11:58 AM

It starts as something small. Easy scenario here.....In the future we are short staffed and company comes desperately to MEC chair for emergency authority to allow Delta to crew 10 A330's by foreign crews. This proposed TA gives the MEC chair that authority to grant it. Will all of our intl flying go away immediately? No. Just a little at a time as those 10 A330's slowly grow to 25, then 50 etc.

It is truly a massive poison pill. So is an 8% raise worth the risk of losing your job or future wide body job?

Don't think one person can be corrupted or make a bad decision? Go read the Spirit Airlines thread.

Falcon7 07-01-2015 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 1919313)
None outside of just the scope language. However its a thumbs down because the power is given to the MEC chair rather than by committee. Nobody likes it when one person holds the keys it destroys the system of checks and balances.

Incidentally im told the JV settlement was a one man show.

I'd rather have some protection than none. The Master Chairman is accountable to the MEC, who is accountable to the pilots. I just think the comm looses credibility when an obvious gain in protection gets a thumbs down.

ghilis101 07-01-2015 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1919711)
I'd rather have some protection than none. The Master Chairman is accountable to the MEC, who is accountable to the pilots. I just think the comm looses credibility when an obvious gain in protection gets a thumbs down.

Given MDs unexpected and inexplicable decision making, it's a huge thumbs down. If the rumors are true he settled the JV grievance alone without committee approval for pennies on the dollar, in a midnight meigs field bulldozer style move. Change the wording to Be a committee decision and it will get a thumbs up.

texavia 07-01-2015 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1919711)
I'd rather have some protection than none. The Master Chairman is accountable to the MEC, who is accountable to the pilots. I just think the comm looses credibility when an obvious gain in protection gets a thumbs down.

I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

scambo1 07-01-2015 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1919711)
I'd rather have some protection than none. The Master Chairman is accountable to the MEC, who is accountable to the pilots. I just think the comm looses credibility when an obvious gain in protection gets a thumbs down.

I don't trust a single human being, not one, with that kind of power of the pen.

Everyone has their price. Everyone.


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