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Removal Of NYC LEC CA Rep's pro-con From Mail
Pro-Con Removal?: I was just messaged that Jim Van Sickle has contacted base admins and instructed them to remove Tom Brielman's pro-con paper from the V-files. This is all I know, I just found out. I am trying to reach Tom or Chris right now.
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Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1920974)
"America was not built on fear. *America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand. Harry S. Truman
We don't want the 700% plus increase in compensation our executives have had since bankruptcy. We want a fair agreement they recognizes our sacrifice and contributions. The TA is not in the neighborhood. |
Originally Posted by ERflyer
(Post 1921028)
The myth exists the LCA OE PBS trip pulls on the bottom 75% of those trips will kill green slips as we know them.
In fact: From True Headings 15-08 OE/TOE Rotation Removal: Worst case: If TA applied to June 2015 bid package, 302 out of 17363 FO Rotations would be eligible for withdrawal under TA-thats 1.7% of rotations No unstacking because of time removal unstacking occurs prior to removal Designated OE time still counts towards staffing formula-no positions will be lost due to this change After first PCS run if LCA swap to different trip or pick up trip, 23G5 still applies Worst case: Under TA, of 6251 first officers at Delta, additional 67 would be awarded a reserve line using 2015 June bid package Impact will vary by category size, amount of training block hours, and the seniority of the LCA in category. Is this is a concession? It was key to unlocking gains realized in rest of TA. To believe that LCA OE trip pulls will have a huge negative impact on green slips is a misinterpretation of the impact. From the above numbers 67 FO's would be awarded reserve lines. If we are hiring 135 pilots a month what do you think will have a higher impact on staffing and affect green slips the most? There are 302 trips pulled if applied for June, worst case. 302 less green slips as 6,251 FO's ALL get a 21.5% increase in pay rates. Just in one category NYC 7ERB there were 102 double pay trips for the week of June 21. One category, one seat, one base, one week compared to 302 trip pulls for the whole system for a month! LCA OE trip pulls are a drop in the bucket of the FO green slip sea. In the future an opinion from an arbitrator or administrative law judge may matter but for now all that matters is the language. Repost the above with the language and you might get traction, but then the raw truth would be exposed. |
Originally Posted by ERflyer
(Post 1921028)
The myth exists the LCA OE PBS trip pulls on the bottom 75% of those trips will kill green slips as we know them.
In fact: From True Headings 15-08 OE/TOE Rotation Removal: • Worst case: If TA applied to June 2015 bid package, 302 out of 17363 FO Rotations would be eligible for withdrawal under TA-that’s 1.7% of rotations • No unstacking because of time removal – unstacking occurs prior to removal • Designated OE time still counts towards staffing formula-no positions will be lost due to this change • After first PCS run if LCA swap to different trip or pick up trip, 23G5 still applies • Worst case: Under TA, of 6251 first officers at Delta, additional 67 would be awarded a reserve line using 2015 June bid package • Impact will vary by category size, amount of training block hours, and the seniority of the LCA in category. • Is this is a concession? It was key to unlocking gains realized in rest of TA. To believe that LCA OE trip pulls will have a huge negative impact on green slips is a misinterpretation of the impact. From the above numbers 67 FO's would be awarded reserve lines. If we are hiring 135 pilots a month what do you think will have a higher impact on staffing and affect green slips the most? There are 302 trips pulled if applied for June, worst case. 302 less green slips as 6,251 FO's ALL get a 21.5% increase in pay rates. Just in one category NYC 7ERB there were 102 double pay trips for the week of June 21. One category, one seat, one base, one week compared to 302 trip pulls for the whole system for a month! LCA OE trip pulls are a drop in the bucket of the FO green slip sea. It's not about the GS, it's about the reduction in QOL by losing 2% of bidding power. It's about asking the pilot group to fix a problem created by a management team that paid themselves millions of dollars in bonuses. It's about returning billions of dollars of profits to investors while kicking the geese that laid those golden eggs. The idea of asking for even one concession while earning billions of dollars on the backs of pilots who gave so much through concessions during bankruptcy is revolting. The idea, the thought, the very concept of asking for even one giveback after how much has been given in the past is so far out of bounds it shouldn't even be considered. |
Originally Posted by ERflyer
(Post 1921028)
The myth exists the LCA OE PBS trip pulls on the bottom 75% of those trips will kill green slips as we know them.
In fact: From True Headings 15-08 OE/TOE Rotation Removal: • Worst case: If TA applied to June 2015 bid package, 302 out of 17363 FO Rotations would be eligible for withdrawal under TA-that’s 1.7% of rotations • No unstacking because of time removal – unstacking occurs prior to removal • Designated OE time still counts towards staffing formula-no positions will be lost due to this change • After first PCS run if LCA swap to different trip or pick up trip, 23G5 still applies • Worst case: Under TA, of 6251 first officers at Delta, additional 67 would be awarded a reserve line using 2015 June bid package • Impact will vary by category size, amount of training block hours, and the seniority of the LCA in category. • Is this is a concession? It was key to unlocking gains realized in rest of TA. To believe that LCA OE trip pulls will have a huge negative impact on green slips is a misinterpretation of the impact. From the above numbers 67 FO's would be awarded reserve lines. If we are hiring 135 pilots a month what do you think will have a higher impact on staffing and affect green slips the most? There are 302 trips pulled if applied for June, worst case. 302 less green slips as 6,251 FO's ALL get a 21.5% increase in pay rates. Just in one category NYC 7ERB there were 102 double pay trips for the week of June 21. One category, one seat, one base, one week compared to 302 trip pulls for the whole system for a month! LCA OE trip pulls are a drop in the bucket of the FO green slip sea. And fwiw, June isn't even a good indicator of what's going on system wide. |
Originally Posted by ghilis101
(Post 1921001)
notenuf, you nailed it. Its no secret Delta wants to be a holdings company. RA has expressed that many times in interviews. Dangerous trend for us DAL pilots. A lot of pro TA folks are dismissing the JV language because "its just AF/KLM in Europe." Incidentally and article this week says Shanghai is RA's "next Amsterdam." See where all this is going?
More dots to connect: http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/u...rId7_thumb.jpg If you want debt at $4B, when you get there what do you do with the cash you were using to pay down debt? If you have an investment grade rating for your corporate bonds, what does that do for you unless you use it? I had a Great FICO score in 2004-2007 but I didn't use it, now I can. Bold predictions: Delta takes an equity stake in an Asian airline by the end of the year. Delta owns a 25% equity stake in Aeromexico by 2018. (the max allowed by Mexican government) Delta owns the max amount legal in GOL by 2018. (their stock has tanked and now is a good buying opportunity) Delta already owns a controlling interest in Virgin by individuals aggregately owning at least 1% along with Delta's 49%. This also helps their FOREX problem by selling tickets on a recognizable local brand in the local currency and collecting and reinvesting in the local area to promote the Delta brand until the dollar weakens and the trade advantage allows repatriation of the profits. |
Jerry! That is the best, most accurate, most concise , and unassailable thing I have seen on any of these boards in a very very long time...I miss the days of the SPC and SC from 1998...You did a GREAT job..signed your old observer coordinator.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 1921038)
Here's your problem. You are referencing the publication that is the least trusted source of information. I could go into details all the way back to the sales job and TA debacle of C2012 but that's history. None of the MEC backed opinions matter. To the same end none of our opinions matter. The language matters.
In the future an opinion from an arbitrator or administrative law judge may matter but for now all that matters is the language. Repost the above with the language and you might get traction, but then the raw truth would be exposed. Worst case: If TA applied to June 2015 bid package, 302 out of 17363 FO Rotations would be eligible for withdrawal under TA-thats 1.7% of rotations Worst case: Under TA, of 6251 first officers at Delta, additional 67 would be awarded a reserve line using 2015 June bid package To believe that LCA OE trip pulls will have a huge negative impact on green slips is a misinterpretation of the impact. From the above numbers 67 FO's would be awarded reserve lines. If we are hiring 135 pilots a month what do you think will have a higher impact on staffing and affect green slips the most? There are 302 trips pulled if applied for June, worst case. 302 less green slips as 6,251 FO's ALL get a 21.5% increase in pay rates. Just in one category NYC 7ERB there were 102 double pay trips for the week of June 21. One category, one seat, one base, one week compared to 302 trip pulls for the whole system for a month! LCA OE trip pulls are a drop in the bucket of the FO green slip sea. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1921064)
Why do you advocate pulling 300 trips a month from FOs? Why do you think that is acceptable?
And fwiw, June isn't even a good indicator of what's going on system wide. |
LCA trip pull = more reserves = fewer GS.
Mark, what is going on? |
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