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Check Essential 06-29-2015 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1918035)
So vote yes or we're going to get Comair'd?

YGTBSM

The Moakists are using that argument. Seriously.
It is right on Harwood's list of "strategic planning" reasons to ratify the TA.

The Comair pilots made Mr. Anderson upset. He shut down the airline.
We better not upset him or he might shut down Delta Air Lines too.

The MEC also uses the example of onboard duty-free. The company who had that contract made Mr. Anderson upset. He stopped onboard duty-free sales.
I guess that is supposed to mean that we better ratify this TA or Mr. Anderson will stop using pilots.

If you can't tell - ridiculous illogical scare tactics make me upset.

We are NOT in a weak bargaining position. The MEC is lying when they imply that we are.

BobZ 06-29-2015 12:34 PM

and we ALL know hourly rates are sacrosanct.....and have NEVER been reduced due to economic upheaval and unfair competition in the airline industry.

I can only come up with one word in response to this nonsensical logic....

INCONCIEVEABLE!

forgot to bid 06-29-2015 12:45 PM


Since some pilots who would have been bought off will now fly something else, the net result could be a few more pilots on reserve.
So, this is why this affects 100% of the pilots. The FOs bidding lca lose. Followed by everyone else who benefited from them talking a dIve in schedule quality to get any lca trip. Next, regular FOs who had holidays and weekends off but now lose those thanks to fewer of those trips in the pool. Next are those who were close to good schedules. Now those are bad. Next barely holding a line, reserve.

And those trips that were wanted by an FO that were pulled, they end up in open time after the lca swaps or drops them.

But...


some compromise was needed to achieve the gains in this agreement. The gains affect all pilots on the seniority list regardless of seat position. Specifically, improved reroute language, rotation construction and trip mix were top priorities for the Atlanta pilots.
I bet if the survey had said how they plan to implement this oe language that the number one priority would've been to make it go away. I don't recall losing oe bidding a having been in the cards when the survey was sent to us.

Carl Spackler 06-29-2015 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1918088)
We are NOT in a weak bargaining position. The MEC is lying when they imply that we are.

That is the relevant topic here folks. Our own union is lying to us. This is just one small sample of the lying.

So ask yourself one simple question: Do you want to vote YES to a TA when our own union is lying to us about it?

Carl

forgot to bid 06-29-2015 01:20 PM

I will say the biggest reason to vote for it is the fear of what happens if you vote no. That's what I'm seeing by fence sitters.

They're aiming right at age 55 guys and up with that.

texavia 06-29-2015 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1918117)
I will say the biggest reason to vote for it is the fear of what happens if you vote no. That's what I'm seeing by fence sitters.

They're aiming right at age 55 guys and up with that.

63 and hell NO!

gzsg 06-29-2015 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by texavia (Post 1918132)
63 and hell NO!

A class act.

forgot to bid 06-29-2015 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by texavia (Post 1918132)
63 and hell NO!

And luckily you're not the only one but talked to a 55 year old very nervous about going down swa path no raise in his last 10 years. Doesn't like the contract at all but... no raise.

I think that's the focus. It is age all a majority of the airline and they sure have a lot of data probably to determine the key demographic.

texavia 06-29-2015 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1918156)
And luckily you're not the only one but talked to a 55 year old very nervous about going down swa path no raise in his last 10 years. Doesn't like the contract at all but... no raise.

I think that's the focus. It is age all a majority of the airline and they sure have a lot of data probably to determine the key demographic.

2015 is the setup for 2018 and so on down the line.

This contract will ruin his last 10 years.

The longer ya got left, the more ya should oppose this TA.

Whether an old dog or just a pup, it's all down hill if this passes.

KnotSoFast 06-29-2015 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 1918091)
and we ALL know hourly rates are sacrosanct.....and have NEVER been reduced due to economic upheaval and unfair competition in the airline industry.

I can only come up with one word in response to this nonsensical logic....

INCONCIEVEABLE!

.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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