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DoubleTrouble 06-29-2015 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1918331)
They really really really want to nail somebody.

Glad my union could help. We pay dues for this stuff.

forgot to bid 06-30-2015 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble (Post 1918391)
Glad my union could help. We pay dues for this stuff.

repeat after me:
"it only affects a small group of pilots."

we've evidently are throwing small groups of pilots under the bus all over the place. But it will make us more efficient, so that we can go out and beat the competition as one pro TA person advocated on FB.

texavia 06-30-2015 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1918496)
repeat after me:
"it only affects a small group of pilots."

we've evidently are throwing small groups of pilots under the bus all over the place. But it will make us more efficient, so that we can go out and beat the competition as one pro TA person advocated on FB.

Will there be anyone left after all the small groups are thrown under the bus?

forgot to bid 06-30-2015 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by texavia (Post 1918501)
Will there be anyone left after all the small groups are thrown under the bus?

No.


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Carl Spackler 06-30-2015 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1918496)
repeat after me:
"it only affects a small group of pilots."

we've evidently are throwing small groups of pilots under the bus all over the place. But it will make us more efficient, so that we can go out and beat the competition as one pro TA person advocated on FB.


Originally Posted by texavia (Post 1918501)
Will there be anyone left after all the small groups are thrown under the bus?

Come on you whiners, this has been strategically planned by your union just in time for summer. There's plenty of shade under the bus, and you guys are ignoring the huge contractual gain this represents. Do you know how many pilots would love to have their very own spot under the bus?

Whiners.

Carl

forgot to bid 06-30-2015 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1918527)
Come on you whiners, this has been strategically planned by your union just in time for summer. There's plenty of shade under the bus, and you guys are ignoring the huge contractual gain this represents. Do you know how many pilots would love to have their very own spot under the bus?

Whiners.

Carl

I guess we just don't really realize how good it is. Thanks to people like you and Facebook and Chit Chat, there's a lot of misinformation about how good being under that tire is.

Not to mention, it's where UCAL pilots are and USAir pilots. If we're going to be industry leading we need to step up off of this curve and get under the bus.

Besides that, it's not a concession, it's a give, it only hurts 2% of the pilots, the Company assured us that it will be fine even though they didn't want it in the contract and they said this is your final offer and dropped the mic and walked out of the room. Also, PEB. Also, 8633.

forgot to bid 06-30-2015 07:08 AM

Here's a thought from FB, signing off on this ta doesn't make us better than the other pilot groups, it just means we are willing to accept concessions to get a contact done early. That's not necessarily good.

ExAF 06-30-2015 07:23 AM

No Fear
 

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1918117)
I will say the biggest reason to vote for it is the fear of what happens if you vote no. That's what I'm seeing by fence sitters.

They're aiming right at age 55 guys and up with that.

I really don't see where the fear is coming from. I'm content with what we have now until they come up with something better, NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES! No fear at all. BTW...over 55 and only voted NO because there wasn't a HE!! NO option.

Raging white 06-30-2015 07:27 AM

Just finished a four day. Guy I was flying with (nice guy, good flyer) was leaning yes on day one with his reasoning that even though it sucks, it won't get better. By day four he admitted he had more thinking to do. I have no doubt he'll vote yes when he's alone with his iPad. Two jumps sweaters were vocal "no's". My question, what do you guys think? Are there enough of us to overcome the quiet "yes"'s?

forgot to bid 06-30-2015 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Raging white (Post 1918613)
Just finished a four day. Guy I was flying with (nice guy, good flyer) was leaning yes on day one with his reasoning that even though it sucks, it won't get better. By day four he admitted he had more thinking to do. I have no doubt he'll vote yes when he's alone with his iPad. Two jumps sweaters were vocal "no's". My question, what do you guys think? Are there enough of us to overcome the quiet "yes"'s?

In 2012 I was flying with a captain who was yes and had a js that was a yes. So as we are flying along the js asks me. I said I'm a no.

He went ballistic on me. Did I mention he was on the js?

This time around, just the opposite reaction from captains and jsers.


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