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-   -   Details on Delta TA (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/88532-details-delta-ta.html)

sailingfun 06-25-2015 09:10 AM
Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 1914973)
Well something Atlanta 777 drivers should of been concerned about in this TA . If they would of banded the A330 to 777/747 like other airlines I would of headed there when cuts come to the whale, but in this TA IM NOW HEADED TO ATL 777. Sorry bottom 777 dwellers. Vote NO!
Does that mean the 330 guys should vote yes?

sailingfun 06-25-2015 09:13 AM
Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 1915077)
I totally get the $$ decision. I just didnt know the 330 banded with 744/777 was even up for discussion. I thought we were all against pay banding.

Would you still be for it if the co agreed to band them, but insisted on a prorate average of the rates? Like we have 50 330s and 34 777/744, so 50x330 rate + 34x 777/744 rate divided by 84? (Fleet numbers are for example only btw.). Or just a plain average of 777 and 330 pay so that 330 pays more but 777 pays less? In either case (including the current TA) the 330 at DAL pays more than the 330 at AA.
That is not correct. The 330 at delta will pay less then AMR until 1 Jan. At that point it will pay less then 1 dollar an hour more then AMR. The 330IGW and 330-900 will pay the same even though they are more capable airframes then what AMR operates.

Flamer 06-25-2015 09:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymouspilot (Post 1915127)
Did anyone else notice that every endorsement from the heads of other pilot groups (SWA, FedEx, AA) in the latest email from the MEC fails to acknowledge any of the actual details in the TA? Every single person gives praise to our MEC based solely on positive "rumors" they've heard about the TA. So they are blindly endorsing a new contract without knowing any of the details or concessions? What blatant abuse by our MEC with a bunch of inaccurate propaganda...
Yes it was clear none of them had read the TA. It's like someone congratulating me on getting a new car before they find out it is a brown 1985 ford pinto that I picked up for $26,000 dollars. I got a deal.....just not a good one.

BenderRodriguez 06-25-2015 09:53 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1915141)
Does that mean the 330 guys should vote yes?
If you look at pay in a vacuum, absolutely. But it's not.

Of course it is much much better for a handful of guys to make the top rate rather than a bunch of guys making the top rate in this bizarro world in which we live. :rolleyes:

Klondike Bear 06-25-2015 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymouspilot (Post 1915127)
Did anyone else notice that every endorsement from the heads of other pilot groups (SWA, FedEx, AA) in the latest email from the MEC fails to acknowledge any of the actual details in the TA? Every single person gives praise to our MEC based solely on positive "rumors" they've heard about the TA. So they are blindly endorsing a new contract without knowing any of the details or concessions? What blatant abuse by our MEC with a bunch of inaccurate propaganda...
Also did you notice there was not one from United. I am sure you have read it but the United MEC chairman did a great job summarizing our TA. He should have included it.

Sell this TA at all cost!

SawF16 06-25-2015 11:25 AM
Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1915144)
That is not correct. The 330 at delta will pay less then AMR until 1 Jan. At that point it will pay less then 1 dollar an hour more then AMR. The 330IGW and 330-900 will pay the same even though they are more capable airframes then what AMR operates.
Thx for the correction SF. Apologies, not trying to mislead on that front.

Gunfighter 06-25-2015 11:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymouspilot (Post 1915127)
Did anyone else notice that every endorsement from the heads of other pilot groups (SWA, FedEx, AA) in the latest email from the MEC fails to acknowledge any of the actual details in the TA? Every single person gives praise to our MEC based solely on positive "rumors" they've heard about the TA. So they are blindly endorsing a new contract without knowing any of the details or concessions? What blatant abuse by our MEC with a bunch of inaccurate propaganda...
The letter from the SWAPA President specifically states "I have not seen the complete details of the deal"

Jet Blue's response starts with "Thank You for the highlights". I'm sure MD left out some of the finer details like caving on scope, sick leave and OE pulls in his "highlights"

FedEx had "heard rumors of the details of the TA" prior to writing the congratulatory letter.

Not one of these supposed congratulatory letters is based on review or understanding of the TA. The only letter with any substance is the response from UAL. Why was that one missing?

These letters of support are nothing more that the obligatory "cute baby" comment no matter how ugly the kiddo really is.

80ktsClamp 06-25-2015 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 1915288)
The letter from the SWAPA President specifically states "I have not seen the complete details of the deal"

Jet Blue's response starts with "Thank You for the highlights". I'm sure MD left out some of the finer details like caving on scope, sick leave and OE pulls in his "highlights"

FedEx had "heard rumors of the details of the TA" prior to writing the congratulatory letter.

Not one of these supposed congratulatory letters is based on review or understanding of the TA. The only letter with any substance is the response from UAL. Why was that one missing?

These letters of support are nothing more that the obligatory "cute baby" comment no matter how ugly the kiddo really is.
I'm glad yall noticed this, too. I almost laughed out loud seeing it, but then realized just how pathetic it is.

Purple Drank 06-25-2015 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1915297)
I'm glad yall noticed this, too. I almost laughed out loud seeing it, but then realized just how pathetic it is.
Same here!

This tells me there is a chance we can return this POS to sender.

Hrkdrivr 06-25-2015 01:09 PM
Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 1915288)
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These letters of support are nothing more that the obligatory "cute baby" comment no matter how ugly the kiddo really is.
Breathtaking...


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