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Originally Posted by the Infallible, Perfect, Honest, and Humble Delta MEC Administration
"...We invite every Delta pilot to examine these documents. A comparison of the rules and our actions will show that we have never failed in our duty to strictly observe both the governance and the process, which is the way the MEC chooses to conduct business within the confines of our governance..." This attitude will ultimately result in the downfall of DALPA. It is long overdue and well deserved. Any organization or individual that is incapable of admitting fault or responsibility is destined for failure. |
A final word about the Internet…be sure of your source. That person giving you contract advice may be a 13 year-old in his parents’ basement in Amarillo. PD?
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Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1891238)
I want the NC to try and go above and beyond the survey when possible! If we show the Company our survey and therefore our low end then we make it really hard for the NC to get the maximum!
If a "new" PWA tallies at $1 BILLION a year in increased pilot costs(including any gives) against the PTIX, we would get all $1 billion. This is a BIG number. By "cashing the PS" check we get 1/3 of 20% of that 1B. That's about $83 Million. This is a SMALL number. I prefer a BIG number over a SMALL number. Don't you? (It still needs to be the right deal in QOL, not just "a" deal.) Getting the "right deal" still requires a unified face from the MEC wether it's expedited or protracted negotiations. It reduces our leverage when the Company can see division and use those wedges against us. That makes the top number smaller and keeps us at the lower number longer... No; no fake urgency. I agree we will "keep cashing the PS", and I look forward to that continuing. I want more(a lot more), and I want it yesterday. I don't like when people undermine the effort to do that. |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 1891248)
Check out the PDF, its a PowerPoint intended for investors. It may take a little bit of Google research on investopedia.com but spend sometime with it and it will enlighten.
Delta Air Lines, Inc. - Delta Announces Plan to Return over $6 Billion to Shareholders Through 2017 It didn't take much time at all. 30 seconds looking it over and you can see that we as a Pilot group would be crazy to take any concessions or reduce profit sharing. The above PDF should be mandatory reading for all DAL Pilots. Thanks for posting that. Scoop :) |
That is far more beneficial to our bargaining position than anything MD has put out so far.
It would go a long way if he released a (signed) letter now, citing that document, and recommitting to an "historic" contract. |
Read this one paragraph from the #20 update again.
"Finally, consider one of the psychological factors that can come into play. Let’s say you see a particularly bad rumor…maybe it was for some really unsatisfactory pay rates, some kind of unforgivable concession, or whatever. But then the actual Tentative Agreement appears that includes something similar…just not to the negative level included the rumor, or as significant in the context of the overall agreement. You may find yourself saying “well, that isn’t so bad”. You may have been pre-conditioned by the really bad rumor into considering something that was still not all that great...just not as bad as what you had heard. " There are several sources of rumors - whether from the company, from union reps, or that 30yo in his mom's' basement (much worse than the 13yo) - but I think this is one of the biggest reasons for rumors/leaks from the company. This is straight from "The Prince," by Machiavelli, an extremely dangerous and effective political tactic. Don't fall prey to it! |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1891238)
I want the NC to try and go above and beyond the survey when possible! If we show the Company our survey and therefore our low end then we make it really hard for the NC to get the maximum!
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1891238)
If a "new" PWA tallies at $1 BILLION a year in increased pilot costs(including any gives) against the PTIX, we would get all $1 billion. This is a BIG number.
By "cashing the PS" check we get 1/3 of 20% of that 1B. That's about $83 Million. This is a SMALL number. I prefer a BIG number over a SMALL number. Don't you? (It still needs to be the right deal in QOL, not just "a" deal.)
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1891238)
Getting the "right deal" still requires a unified face from the MEC wether it's expedited or protracted negotiations. It reduces our leverage when the Company can see division and use those wedges against us. That makes the top number smaller and keeps us at the lower number longer...
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1891238)
No; no fake urgency. I agree we will "keep cashing the PS", and I look forward to that continuing. I want more(a lot more), and I want it yesterday. I don't like when people undermine the effort to do that.
Carl |
Originally Posted by index
(Post 1891283)
Straight from the arrogant horses mouth. Just like the hundreds of millions of dollars ALPA has paid out in DFR settlements where ALPA also denied any wrongdoing.
This attitude will ultimately result in the downfall of DALPA. It is long overdue and well deserved. Any organization or individual that is incapable of admitting fault or responsibility is destined for failure. Carl |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1891345)
That is far more beneficial to our bargaining position than anything MD has put out so far.
It would go a long way if he released a (signed) letter now, citing that document, and recommitting to an "historic" contract. Carl |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 1891338)
It didn't take much time at all. 30 seconds looking it over and you can see that we as a Pilot group would be crazy to take any concessions or reduce profit sharing.
The above PDF should be mandatory reading for all DAL Pilots. Thanks for posting that. Scoop :) http://ir.delta.com/files/doc_downlo...001_t8wg8m.pdf |
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