Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1890653)

Trial Balloon Launch……

Why are the related? Our contract says if the E195 is flown at our airline, then it will be flown by mainline pilots.

Why the need to add more "jumbo Rj's"?

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1891107)

I just got forwarded the council 20 update. I read it like the council 1 update. There is some interesting between the lines stuff in there. I Strongly encourage any ATL based pilot to read this update. It is almost a pro/con letter somehow. It also provides a filter or lens through which a critical thinker might read council 44s updates.

I wonder if the ATL reps actually might come over to, or at least see, the view that the council 20 guys convey since they may be in the minority...what's the rush?

What's the motive?

Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1891108)

First I am going to start by apologizing for an earlier post where I said the MSP FO rep was on the fence and leaning towards the side of concessions. I have been in contact with him and received a communication where he laid that to rest. Now add to that yesterday's Council 1 letter and I am confident that. My reps are doing their job for me.

Now before the professor and others jump on me let me give you a quick "anonymous" background. I am a DALPA supporter a trust but verify type of guy. I voted yes on C2012 after a long discussion with. The LEC 1 FO rep who voted no. Carl has even accused me of being a DALPA lackey (or similiar). I generally believe DALPA has our best interest at heart.

c2015 in challenging that belief. There are two distinct groups forming the MEC right now those who want a quick contract even if it means a few extra gives (the old guard) and those that want to craft a better deal even if it doesn't get down by JAN 1. I have been told by someone closer to the MEC than me that the two basic groups are split 8-8 and there are three swing votes.

The swing votes I have been told are the SEA FO rep, the ATL training council rep, and the ATL FO rep DN. Now I only know what i was told and perhaps I am wrong however I do know there are people on this board close to DN. Talk to him implore him to stick up for a contract that doesn't sell more 76 seat jets, pull LCA trips from FOs, and cut our sick leave.

This needs to be a historic contract for all of us. Take 5 minutes away from the forums today and send your rep an email or give them a call. If you live. In MSP there is an LEC meeting Monday, go to it.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1891118)

Is it the May 10th update or something newer?

Originally Posted by Dorfman (Post 1891108)

First I am going to start by apologizing for an earlier post where I said the MSP FO rep was on the fence and leaning towards the side of concessions. I have been in contact with him and received a communication where he laid that to rest. Now add to that yesterday's Council 1 letter and I am confident that. My reps are doing their job for me.

Now before the professor and others jump on me let me give you a quick "anonymous" background. I am a DALPA supporter a trust but verify type of guy. I voted yes on C2012 after a long discussion with. The LEC 1 FO rep who voted no. Carl has even accused me of being a DALPA lackey (or similiar). I generally believe DALPA has our best interest at heart.

c2015 in challenging that belief. There are two distinct groups forming the MEC right now those who want a quick contract even if it means a few extra gives (the old guard) and those that want to craft a better deal even if it doesn't get down by JAN 1. I have been told by someone closer to the MEC than me that the two basic groups are split 8-8 and there are three swing votes.

The swing votes I have been told are the SEA FO rep, the ATL training council rep, and the ATL FO rep DN. Now I only know what i was told and perhaps I am wrong however I do know there are people on this board close to DN. Talk to him implore him to stick up for a contract that doesn't sell more 76 seat jets, pull LCA trips from FOs, and cut our sick leave.

This needs to be a historic contract for all of us. Take 5 minutes away from the forums today and send your rep an email or give them a call. If you live. In MSP there is an LEC meeting Monday, go to it.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1891094)

Shack!

Motive!

Are they working for the pilots or are they working for the company? Or, do they have a different world view and belief system than me? IDK.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1890997)

It would add value to your posts if you would.
A) not utilize useless slander and hyperbole.
B) use verifiable facts to prove your 'points'
3) construct a single logical argument.

Look, its ok to be mad. It is also to be worried that we are going to get screwed. Are we going to? Dunno. Maybe?

Maybe do it like this:

GZSG

I think that Council 1 was simply voicing their frustration. With the bad blood from the SLI combined with some more local issues, this is understandable coming from MSP.

Some posters on here, to me, seem to be too much on the side of the company. But that is just my opinion. I can't prove it. And maybe they really are just trying to keep everyone calm and rational while our elected reps get a TA hammered out. But I still think they are lapdogs.

sincerely,

George.

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See? Like that.

Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1891160)

I would like to know who here isn't working for the Company.

I do contend that beliefs systems do vary, and need to be balanced by the freely nominated and elected representatives. You might live in a district represented by a Congreesman of another party (or no party like Sen. Sanders), but they are still your representative and vote in Congress for you. Same concept applies here (though I wish it wasn't necessary for our MEC to "pick sides"). The MEC can and should fight and argue behind closed doors, but when it comes to looking outward they should stand together. Showing a divided face and/or airing of grievances does NOTHING to negotiate us a new PWA that commensurate with the improved condition of our employer.

When the MEC doesn't keep its "poker face" to the public, the other side gains insight into what cards we are holding and whether or not we are bluffing. That isn't good for anyone Delta Pilot who wants more money and more time off.