Originally Posted by Raging white (Post 1890998)

Publish OUR own survey results and 99% of the distrust and acrimony disappears.
Save the BS that it will "tip our hand" to the company. I'm quite sure they know we want more money and less work.

Originally Posted by Raging white (Post 1890998)

Publish OUR own survey results and 99% of the distrust and acrimony disappears.
Save the BS that it will "tip our hand" to the company. I'm quite sure they know we want more money and less work.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1891000)

Not to mention the same pilots stabbing us in the back race to give our survey results to management before the ink is dry.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1890997)

It would add value to your posts if you would.
A) not utilize useless slander and hyperbole.
B) use verifiable facts to prove your 'points'
3) construct a single logical argument.

Look, its ok to be mad. It is also to be worried that we are going to get screwed. Are we going to? Dunno. Maybe?

Maybe do it like this:

GZSG

I think that Council 1 was simply voicing their frustration. With the bad blood from the SLI combined with some more local issues, this is understandable coming from MSP.

Some posters on here, to me, seem to be too much on the side of the company. But that is just my opinion. I can't prove it. And maybe they really are just trying to keep everyone calm and rational while our elected reps get a TA hammered out. But I still think they are lapdogs.

sincerely,

George.

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See? Like that.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1890997)

I think that Council 1 was simply voicing their frustration. With the bad blood from the SLI combined with some more local issues, this is understandable coming from MSP.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1891002)

Please reference my earlier posts about the survey. They haven't changed and PD is dead wrong.

The survey is used as a ref point for all future negotiations, which happen all the time now. FOR EXAMPLE:

as soon as we have a TA (maybe), I'm sure the next one the NC is going to tackle is settling the JV grievance. So the direction inside of the survey will be used for that. and so on.

There is a reason why they aren't released and I think its valid, given the way we are in constant neg. with Mother D.

You are welcome to disagree. But personally I think its valid and keeps us from ever fully showing our hand to the company.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1891007)

Lame. Roll out the SLI when all else fails. What does that have to do with C2015.

You and the insider boys are just upset because the process is being honored. The 11 reps are actually following ALPA policy. Or is it just the stupid Council 1 reps. I think they have only 2 votes. According to you the jam down crafted by the shadow should pass 17-2.

How about the NC follow the will of the voting MEC members for a change instead of the admin who have no votes?

Originally Posted by ImTumbleweed (Post 1891009)

Then release the survey results from C2012.

What's the harm of releasing that?

There is no harm in releasing that information. It's been outdated for years now.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1891002)

Please reference my earlier posts about the survey. They haven't changed and PD is dead wrong.

The survey is used as a ref point for all future negotiations, which happen all the time now. FOR EXAMPLE:

as soon as we have a TA (maybe), I'm sure the next one the NC is going to tackle is settling the JV grievance. So the direction inside of the survey will be used for that. and so on.

There is a reason why they aren't released and I think its valid, given the way we are in constant neg. with Mother D.

You are welcome to disagree. But personally I think its valid and keeps us from ever fully showing our hand to the company.

Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1891008)

Let me guess, pre-merger D? DB