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I want to know whose idea was it to make it just the MC's decision? The company or NC?

Not only that, but we are being told its still a net gain because they could do it right now if they wanted to without any pilot's permission.

Yet our scope isn't set up like that at all. We own everything, from the front end, until and unless its permitted. So where in our current language is this permitted? Cause I'm not seeing it.

This seems like the equivalent of adding a line saying the MEC chairman has to approve a company plan to stop providing transportation to the overnight hotels and then calling that a win because we control it through the MEC chairman. :rolleyes:

The burden of proof for the claim that the foreign alter ego is currently allowed rests with the pro-TA movement and the MEC/reps/NC endorsing it. Until they can clearly show how current book allows this, we have no choice but to call bravo sierra.

Funny, that's' the question I asked. The answer, it's a gain for us. RRRReally? Because management said it was?

There's more to it, management wants that because they only need one guys approval.

I'm writing a case study right now but its way too long for APC. Think 5+ year plan, and how much of how many airlines and other business Delta will own in 5-10 years. We are an industry leader, the next step in growing the enterprise and shareholder value is to grow the business vertically and horizontally. Industrializing the company lowers the risk in any one sector of the business. If we then generate only say, 25-30% of revenue we are effectively marginalized. We may be in a position where a MC thinks its a good trade to give up international branding to keep us in the game. 1.E.9. is a seed planted for the future. This is also a good argument for protecting scope. The more we do on both ends of the scope the more operations we capture.

We could be the next Ford Motor company. The name says Ford but have you seen all they own and do? In other countries with their brands and others? And where is there manufacturing? Why do they have ownership in steel companies? etc.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3296...ust-an-airline

No Fear--President Truman
 

"America was not built on fear. *America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand.” – Harry S. Truman

We don't want the 700% plus increase in compensation our executives have had since bankruptcy.

We want a fair agreement they recognizes our sacrifice and contributions.

The TA is not in the neighborhood.

notenuf, you nailed it. Its no secret Delta wants to be a holdings company. RA has expressed that many times in interviews. Dangerous trend for us DAL pilots. A lot of pro TA folks are dismissing the JV language because "its just AF/KLM in Europe." Incidentally and article this week says Shanghai is RA's "next Amsterdam." See where all this is going?

Very, very true.

The LCA PBS Trip Pull Myth
 

The myth exists the LCA OE PBS trip pulls on the bottom 75% of those trips will kill green slips as we know them.

In fact:

From True Headings 15-08

OE/TOE Rotation Removal:
• Worst case: If TA applied to June 2015 bid package, 302 out of 17363 FO Rotations would be eligible for withdrawal under TA-that’s 1.7% of rotations
• No unstacking because of time removal – unstacking occurs prior to removal
• Designated OE time still counts towards staffing formula-no positions will be lost due to this change
• After first PCS run if LCA swap to different trip or pick up trip, 23G5 still applies
• Worst case: Under TA, of 6251 first officers at Delta, additional 67 would be awarded a reserve line using 2015 June bid package
• Impact will vary by category size, amount of training block hours, and the seniority of the LCA in category.
• Is this is a concession? It was key to unlocking gains realized in rest of TA.

To believe that LCA OE trip pulls will have a huge negative impact on green slips is a misinterpretation of the impact. From the above numbers 67 FO's would be awarded reserve lines. If we are hiring 135 pilots a month what do you think will have a higher impact on staffing and affect green slips the most?

There are 302 trips pulled if applied for June, worst case. 302 less green slips as 6,251 FO's ALL get a 21.5% increase in pay rates. Just in one category NYC 7ERB there were 102 double pay trips for the week of June 21. One category, one seat, one base, one week compared to 302 trip pulls for the whole system for a month!

LCA OE trip pulls are a drop in the bucket of the FO green slip sea.

Is RA worried you'll vote NO?
 

Who's side is he on? Yours or his?

Sadly we could ask the same thing about our MEC.