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Let me ask you this... Looking at the long term, what kind of raise do you see us getting in the next contract if we are already ahead of American in (pay and two years earlier entering negotiations)?

Denny

Way too early to tell. If Delta is running full steam ahead on all cylinders, another 20% is not out of the question. When AA finally comes back to the table our rates could be 30%+ ahead

GogglesPisano

06-15-2015 06:01 PM

Thank you, 80.

DoubleTrouble

06-15-2015 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1905774)

When you accuse someone of being corrupt you are stating they are committing criminal actions. I would be very careful in doing that unless you have hard evidence to back that up. If not they might end up with your house and 401k!

Zero on those links to cause him any worry of lawsuits. Now, the MEC and a duty of fair representation....

Mem9guy

06-15-2015 06:04 PM

Short call bucket

Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but I noticed while reading through it, that the TA changes the number of short calls needed to be in "short call bucket 2" from the current 3 to 2.

Denny Crane

06-15-2015 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1906198)

Way too early to tell. If Delta is running full steam ahead on all cylinders, another 20% is not out of the question. When AA finally comes back to the table our rates could be 30%+ ahead

My response to this is: If you think we can be that far ahead of American then, why can't we 15/20%+ ahead on this contract? Not really any difference in my book.

Denny

DeadHead

06-15-2015 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1906198)

Way too early to tell. If Delta is running full steam ahead on all cylinders, another 20% is not out of the question. When AA finally comes back to the table our rates could be 30%+ ahead

Vague open-ended percentages do nothing for the debate.

ERflyer

06-15-2015 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1906090)

Money is not "first" for everyone.

Totally agree. Sick leave, and most of all Scope could very well tilt this to a no. To paraphrase Lenin, "The Pilots will sell us the scope with which we will hang them."

Overreach on these two items could very well be the undoing of this TA.

DoubleTrouble

06-15-2015 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1906041)

John has thick skin. He can take it.

He may even take it as a compliment.

Trip7

06-15-2015 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1906207)

My response to this is: If you think we can be that far ahead of American then, why can't we 15/20%+ ahead on this contract? Not really any difference in my book.

Denny

Because negotiations is not about what you think you deserve, it's what you can negotiate. If a professional negotiator says we've extracted maximum value, and I see all my colleagues around me(FDX/SWA/UPS) getting stomped on, I believe him!

Telling a professional negotiator you believe we can get 15-20% ahead is like a pax coming to your airplane after a wind shear related diversion and stating the weather isn't so bad you could have made it!

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Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1906212)

Vague open-ended percentages do nothing for the debate.

I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific about 3 years down the road. I truly apologize.

Carl Spackler

06-15-2015 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1906215)

The larger issue that I hope pilots will decipher this as the blatant attempt to divide this pilot group into three tribes that got something off the backs of the other tribes.

INDUSTRIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS.

Carl

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