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MtEverest 06-17-2015 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1908003)
I for one, hope he's getting paid.

It doesn't matter, I'm still a solid no......but I think it's a good someone wants to take this abuse.

As for an alternate name? Who cares!

If I was going to come on here in a semiofficial capacity Id use something else. That way I could come back as Ferd and be my usual jajoff.

Ferd, I respect your opinion but having a guy post here that has been paid by our union (a now rogue group willing to say ANYTHING to pass this TA), is a disservice to pilots searching for accurate/truthful information to make an clear decision regarding this TA.

Carl Spackler 06-17-2015 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1907591)
I've met him once or twice.

We've never met or spoken. Unless the change from tsquare to Bender wasn't just Bender...but gender.

Carl

Professor 06-17-2015 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by MtEverest (Post 1908013)
Ferd, I respect your opinion but having a guy post here that has been paid by our union (a now rogue group willing to say ANYTHING to pass this TA), is a disservice to pilots searching for accurate/truthful information to make an clear decision regarding this TA.


I'm sure it feels pretty good to come on here. Throw some weight around and bully your way to some attention.

When did you join this board?

Please keep things germane to the TA.

I have only offered what Alpa experts say about the language in this TA. When asked I have offered my opinion.

Not ONCE have I encouraged an up or down vote.
Not once.

These are the facts.

Please cease your harassing behavior. It's limiting others abilities to gain access to information they need to make a decision.

Carl Spackler 06-17-2015 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by RetiredFTS (Post 1907635)
"We are moving forward as a unified group, taking the initiative, serving your direction, and capitalizing on this tremendous opportunity to put the past where it belongs and achieve the best pilot contract in the world." - Mike Donatelli

Is that what this TA does for us?

That is EXACTLY what Donatelli thinks and will be hard selling at the road shows.

Carl

Ferd149 06-17-2015 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by MtEverest (Post 1908013)
Ferd, I respect your opinion but having a guy post here that has been paid by our union (a now rogue group willing to say ANYTHING to pass this TA), is a disservice to pilots searching for accurate/truthful information to make an clear decision regarding this TA.

Well agree to disagree then:D

It's a fine line between answers and commentary, why some people like some news channels and others don't. Shoot, I haven't liked the answers to a lot of the question but I'm glad someone took the time to research them.

As I said, I'm probably a lost cause for the Professor. But I'm glad he has the balls to be here.

Ferd

MtEverest 06-17-2015 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1908011)
The entire TA language is posted on the DALPA pages. Please read at your leisure. Changes for this TA are in red.

I assure you, I am going through the TA language. What I find troubling is the TA language oft times does not match the watered down information you are dropping here.

Don't post unless you are willing to provide answers with unbiased comprehensive detail. You are a paid volunteer. You signed up for it. As long as you have that affiliation, you will be held to a higher standard (ie you cannot just take that hat on and off at your whim).

We, the pilots of Delta are paying for you to provide accurate information. Donatelli is not your master. You answer to the pilot group, not some rogue leader bent on pushing his misconstrued TA through. Please do not forget that.

Lifeisgood 06-17-2015 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 1907985)
After today's in PTC, there might not be another. What was supposed to be an easy home victory turned into a rout! MED chair lost it and started yelling at the audience. When pressed by an FO about only 2% being affected by the LCA pull out he brushed her off with "well, you have your vote." Very vociferous exchanges and lots "information" going both ways. They even had the cops there in case it got "out of hand". Wait till he gets to NYC....

Wow! If TA is so "historic" and "so the best in the World" and those are the "facts" why would you need cops!?

scambo1 06-17-2015 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1907699)
That's OK, this has been pretty rapid fire so I am sure it is several pages back. So refusal to turn over your records would ONLY result in not being paid? I would want that in contract language.

My problem with this is that it is akin to Obamacare and it's 'good intentions'. I am sure that at this moment in time there is nothing nefarious in this. However, the camel is now in the tent. My "willingness" to allow access to my medical records - for the specific incident only - soon gets transformed into all areas access. I am VERY concerned that we are going to be forced to sign away our HIPPA rights and privacy. I have nothing to hide in my records, I think Dr Faulkner is a wonderful representative of both DAL and the pilots, but this worries me going forward. I don't see the protections here.

T,
You said without hyperbole exactly what I was saying hyperbolically.:D

This issue at the heart of obamacare is control. I get the same uneasy feeling about the new sick policy.

scambo1 06-17-2015 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 1907985)
After today's in PTC, there might not be another. What was supposed to be an easy home victory turned into a rout! MED chair lost it and started yelling at the audience. When pressed by an FO about only 2% being affected by the LCA pull out he brushed her off with "well, you have your vote." Very vociferous exchanges and lots "information" going both ways. They even had the cops there in case it got "out of hand". Wait till he gets to NYC....

Good...

I am personally happy to hear that the underbelly of democracy still works.

Dear leader Donatelli played Chicago style when he should have played Iowa style.

MtEverest 06-17-2015 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1908018)
I'm sure it feels pretty good to come on here. Throw some weight around and bully your way to some attention.

When did you join this board?

Please keep things germane to the TA.

I have only offered what Alpa experts say about the language in this TA. When asked I have offered my opinion.

Not ONCE have I encouraged an up or down vote.
Not once.

These are the facts.

Please cease your harassing behavior. It's limiting others abilities to gain access to information they need to make a decision.

Stating "Vote how you want" doesn't relieve you from providing accurate information as a representative who has been paid by DALPA to come here. You are the one haranguing this site, clogging it up with half truths piece meal in an attempt to change perception toward a yes vote. Please cease immediately.


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