Originally Posted by 300SMK (Post 1907640)

It would be interesting to see how much a reserve flies and what the ALVs are like pre and post C12.

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 1907555)

Professor,

One of ALPA's stated goals was not to leave any money "on the table". I haven't heard how the company's announcement of $5B in buybacks DURING NEGOTIATIONS affected that calculus. Can you please comment? Did ALPA negotiators see that as money off the table? Did they know that was going to happen ahead of time? Sure seems like it would have been a great time to step away from the negotiating table and rerun the numbers.

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 1907571)

Professor,

Are there any graphs and charts to show total compensation differences with the TA for an 8-year FO on junior equipment? Or even a 2-year FO? It's one thing to weigh the pay vs. concessions for 777A. But those on the bottom (a staggering number with all the latest hiring...though many can't vote) make IDENTICAL concessions for WAY less money. Of course, they also make GREATER concessions for items like the LCA OE line pulls.

This contract is amendable is 3 short years - before retirements even kick into full gear. High-end pay numbers are irrelevant to all but a few, but they seem to be the prime focus of the MEC.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1907662)

If you have a ta question I'll try and help.

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1907591)

I've met him once or twice.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1907596)

Yup. Why anyone in the bottom half of the seniority list would vote Yes to this is beyond me. I'm in the highest paying category, I'd reap the biggest reward with the 8% raise and the LCA won't affect me at all. I'm voting NO because I do not believe we got all we could get out of a company that is going to make more in this quarter than the entire value of this TA over 3 years!

We were raped in bankruptcy, there is no other word for it. We lost 42% of our pay, many of our QOL benefits, and all of our retirement. About 1400 guys were furloughed. Many guys lost their houses and/or got divorces and there were 8 suicides. If you weren't here for all of that, I can see where you might not be as PO'd as the rest of us who had to live through that.

The only reason we got Profit Sharing in the first place was due to the Billions we gave the company in making those sacrifices.

We have been slowly clawing our way back ever since then, but as you saw in 2012, and now in this POS TA, our MEC is constantly trading away stuff we have already negotiated for, for pittance raises of 3%. We are still today, 18% BELOW our 2004 pay rates, AND our Retirements are severely underfunded!

This company is now making BILLIONS! Some of that BILLIONS is OUR RETIREMET money and OUR PAY CUTS and the JOBS LOST with PBS bidding and the rest of us flying 87-92 hours a month!

GIVE US BACK OUR MONEY FIRST!

Then you can "Reward the Shareholders".

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1907666)

What kind of release is required if we're out for more than 24 days of any rolling 360?



Third time asking.



And who do we submit the release to?

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 1907669)

Thanks Tim, I think the senior Captains are going to be the deciding demographic on this one. After reading your comments I think we might have a chance in making history and sending this anything but historic contract back.

I can only hope.