That would be management's decision. In the meantime, we cash profit sharing checks until the NMB reminds management that bargaining in bad faith is a violation of the Raileay Labor Act.

Then we prepare the next grievance for when they are yet again out of compliance with the Euro JV.

Then we enjoy our privacy rights when sick. Then enjoy not having all the other concessions.

At some point, IMO, logic dictates that management will want to return. There will be too much pain for them not to.

Carl

At the MEC meeting the negotiating committee put up a bunch of slides on our sick leave use and its change over time. I'm working from notes, so I apologize for any errors. Since 2012 sick leave usage is up 30%. The top 20% of sick leave users that don't go on disability use 50% of our sick leave. 5% of our pilots use more than 40 days per year and never go TD or LTD.

They also addressed that demographically our aging pilot group should only use about 1% more, not 30% more. There has been a pilot behavior change. UAL and AMR's sick leave has decreased (no data provided) but both those properties have substantially more punitive sick leave provisions than we do, beginning with only 60 hours of accrual.

They said because of increased costs this is one of management's top priorities.

I hope one of the notepads covers this, as sick leave was just a few slides in a big deck.

In my little mind, it ends in about 18 months or less with a truly Historic contract that rewards the Delta Pilots for 12 years of concessions and sacrifices, and reflects a corporation that is returning $6 Billion to shareholders.

So what's the next step?

Vote this POS down.

Then we recall the MEC Chairman, the Strategic Planning committee, and the Negotiating Committee. Replace them with all the NO voting LEC reps and make Tom Brielmann the Chairman.

Then we start from scratch with Family Awareness meeting, informational picketing, use the Media to point out how many BILLIONS of dollars the Delta Pilots have given to SAVE DELTA, point out that we are STILL 18% below rates from 11 years ago, and we gave up BILLIONS in our DB retirement plans as well. We point out all the outsourcing of our mainline jobs to RJ's at the bottom, and to JV's at the top.

Then we go public with the company's Sick Leave proposal, and we go public with Richard's Compensation Package, and compare it to OUR compensation package!

And THEN....

We inflate the Memory Rat!:eek::D

In short, we put Labor Risk right back on the table, where it BELONGS!

Without Labor Risk, you get a pos TA like this!

Why our MEC Chairman let Richard's pronouncement go unchallenged is beyond me!

I don't have it or the Barron's article bookmarked. A body still have the links? Thx

Dang, I gotta take a break!:)

Denny

First, observe the overall big picture. America's middle class is getting decimated, and there is (deservedly) rampant and widespread concern about that. Darn good chance the NMB is very sympathetic to this and are middle class themselves.

Second, observe record profits and exec. compensation that has been doubling every few years as the rich get richer. DAL mgmt fits right in.

Third, observe a mgmt group that wants to eat first before the troops eat (ie. RA & Co. want to get paid BEFORE profit sharing is calculated....read: they can play with their compensation to keep profits below the new profit sharing threshhold). This jibes neatly with #1 and #2 above, and can effectively shut the pilot group out of ANY profit sharing saving the company a bundle and thus jacking up the stick price. Speaking of...

Fourth, observe that DAL mgmt is engaging in a $5 BILLION dollar stock buyback scheme, when RA himself holds something like 15+ MILLION shares of stock in his personal holdings (read: he is further rewarding himself with co. $$ above and beyond his already incredibly generous compensation).

Also...


Yeah, I'd like to go to the NMB with these facts, with one important caveat.

I want to do it with DAL's negotiators, not DALPAs.

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I agree with all of that Carl.

The only presupposition you make I question is the idea that the NMB would think DL bargained in bad faith, when they offered industry leading rates and work rules that met or exceeded most other carriers.

At some point I agree that management blinks. Question is when? I don't know or even have a guess.

C'mon, Man!

You said the NC got rolled and that you got slapped in the face. I showed you where to find you were incorrect.

Maybe it's time for some underboob or a pink panther gif.:D

And to the slides presented I say "so what?"

I understand they want SL usage to go down. I was on SLOA for Oct-Jan due to a back injury. Would you like to know how many times I was contacted or contacted about transitioning to Disability? ZERO. When I was hired I was briefed, SLOA, then disability. Plus my condition was on that was PROGGED to be remedied sooner....so the lovely folks at Delta started a Sec 15b review.

If they wanted folks to use ST/LT Disability vs SLOA THEY should have pushed it.

There were no sick leave abusers in our last contract. If they used all 100 unverified and 240 total...they were still abiding by the contract - unless they had fraudulent Dr notes - if so BAD on them - but that is the company's fault. Not ours.

This TA sucks. The SLOA is the main deal killer for me. No one can spin this into a good thing.

If you read the post on chit chat where the member discussed the negotiations with his rep you will realize Gunship Guy was right about the NC.

If you're worried about the money then the current profit sharing formula will more than make up for the missed pay raises. We are better off with a couple more years of C2012 than any years of C2015. The company wants this contract done quickly, out of the way and move on with their massive victory over the pilots. For those of you who don't remember the Chief Pilots' calling for a "general nature" of your sickness two contracts ago (the JCBA of 2008) this new set of rules is 10 times worse with respect to the ability of the company to harass you about whether you were really sick.