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DPA card is in with $100 donation.

Let's vote this POS down and recall some ignorant mf'ers.

I have voted yes to every TA since I came on the property almost 20 years ago. That is about to change.

Record profits and we are presented with a cost neutral TA equates to a solid "NO" vote from me.

Also, since the company clearly doesn't value my worth to them as a Delta Captain then that means I no longer go the extra mile for them.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 1901200)

Some vote how they're told to vote. No spine coupled with a desire to be an ALPA/Company insider leads to this.

Check the background on some of these yes men. Common thread amongst them. Dirty politics for sure and good ole boy network alive and well. Yeehaw!

Do the dissenting voters on the MEC get to present why they voted the way they did? A white paper or something? Or is just a one sided bum rush? Again I am new to the process and don't even get to vote. Just trying to learn the process.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1901218)

So how many jobs will be lost if we plummet down to 50% (defined as 49%, of course!) block hours in our biggest JV by far if current status quo is around 67% block hours?

gloopy-
The 67% number that georgetg posted includes the UK.
UK flying has been removed from the AF/KLM section because we have since done the Virgin JV deal.
Its a redefinition of "Bundle 1".

"Status quo" would be 53.1%. Meaning that is the number we would have to be flying to be in compliance with the existing AF/KLM language.
We are currently flying about 51.5%. The company is in violation. That's how we got the $30 million.
The new TA resets the requirement to 49% which brings them into compliance and gives them another 2.5% they can cut or allow AF/KLM to grow.

If the TA fails memrat we go right back to the old language and we can grieve it again in the future if the company is still out of compliance.

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Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 1901231)

DPA card is in with $100 donation.

Let's vote this POS down and recall some ignorant mf'ers.

Agreed mine is in too

Since there still has not been a response and we can see over on the Delta TA Poll 9% of guys went to that thread on this website and voted yes....would one of the nine %ers please tell us how MEC Facebook censorship is OK?

Isn't this type of behavior at the heart of whats wrong with DALPA? Does it not resemble the same methodology of DALPA while "representing" across the board? "No room for dissenting voices, we know best." Do we have any reason to believe the roadshow sales job will be any different? When reps play the shell game with us and use FEAR, UNCERTAINTY and DOUBT is this just "presenting the facts"?. Nine %ers, is this the way a professional, bottom up organization conducts themselves?

The pilot survey was clearly put into the circular file. Information that might get in the way of a yes vote will no doubt end up in the same place. Half truths are OK right?

Please tell us how and why this is OK??!

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Originally Posted by ToneDeaf (Post 1901225)

Is there a third party to verify the upcoming pilot voting results? The surveys are secret, the negotiations are secret, virtually everything in the entire process is top secret. What's to stop the voting results from being rigged?

I have always been a supporter of alpa. But this contract is really horrible. It has made me so mad I finally signed up for this forum just to write this. It's embarrassing that MD would send out a 7 page letter explaining and teaching all of us how incredible and historic this deal is. Are they looking at the same TA as the rest of us? My trust is gone. I wish they didn't do this, but they really shot themselves in the foot this time.

Feel the same way joined this forum last night

So this is my first rodeo...how long is the process drawn out before a member vote is finalized?

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1901237)

gloopy-
The 67% number that georgetg posted includes the UK.
UK flying has been removed from the AF/KLM section because we have since done the Virgin JV deal.

"Status quo" would be 53.1%. Meaning that is the number we would have to be flying to be in compliance with the existing AF/KLM language.
We are currently flying about 51.5%. The company is in violation. That's how we got the $30 million.
The new TA resets the requirement to 49% which brings them into compliance and gives them another 2.5% they can cut or allow AF/KLM to grow.

If the TA fails memrat we go right back to the old language and we can grieve it again in the future if the company is still out of compliance.

Are you talking about EASK's or block hours when you say we need to fly 53%?

Because the current language (that the company violated without shame for 4+ years and counting with no intent to ever honor) is language about our "half" which is pathetically defined as 48.5%. They are still under that, so it seems they would need to do the 53% you mentioned to eventually re-comply with a perpetually lower baseline. The block hours we fly becuse of the EASK's is higher than their's, so it seems like you are talking EASK's instead of BH's.