This reminds a great deal of how DC seems to be operating re: the trade deal for Obama. Secret rooms, hush-hush, gotta vote for it now or else, find out the details later, etc, etc. The similarity is glaring.



13. Executive Compensation will be calculated before Profit Sharing (ie. "leadership" get's their's before the troops)

Quit fixating on the money. It's not that great anyway. This TA is well beyond "not perfect". It's a huge concession and robs pilots of something they hold most dear, privacy.

No pilot here is waiting for a "perfect contract". They want something that is fair and deserve some big gains given:

1. The company is doing better financially right now than it has ever done in the history of it's operation as a Going Concern

2. Management has handsomely rewarded themselves. There is enough money to do the same for the guys/gals that move the airplanes.

3. Concessions should not be part of this contract given #1 and #2.

4. The sick policy is far, far overreaching and has the potential to violate the most sacredly held information of a pilot and his family.

5. We need to preserve widebody flying. It's the bread and butter of the flying here and the reason pilots chose Delta over Southwest.

6. Pilots that were on property got raped during bankruptcy and many sent home without a job.

Vote NO!

PS- You are not a pilot.

Thought I covered that in number two but if not, it's now a bakers dozen! :)

Denny

You should be worried. Most of the captains have been around the block. They understand timely money in the pocket. They also understand that going back to RA for more is a silly thing to believe in. They understand that the next stop is the NMB and what happens down that road. Please see SWA, UPS, Fedex, Former US Airways, former AA.

Funny, my FO on my trip thinks it is a slam dunk Yes. Also, our jumpseating 767ER FO said it was a no brainer Yes as well. Both cited that history is littered with examples of not getting materially superior agreements after failed ratification or rejected TAs. Both also thought the NMB would laugh in DALPA's face when we demand more. Besides, looking at fixed pay plus PS, who could argue with AA + 20% or more?

Must admit, I wasn't going to argue against them. Smart FOs.

Real gem here:

f. A pilot will not be awarded a GS or GSWC for a rotation if the rotation is within 30 minutes of creating an FAR conflict with the flight and/or flight duty period time of a rotation(s) on the pilot's line along with the rotation(s) that the pilot missed or will miss due to sick leave.

Exception one: A pilot who has utilized sick leave will be considered for a GS or GSWC, excluding the scheduled flight and flight period time for such sick leave rotation(s), after all pilots that are not subject to Section 23 Q. 7. f.

Thanks ALPA (Ain't Listening to our Pilots AGAIN!).

l'll play, George was wrong on his fear all Reserves would fly to ALV +15....

I was wrong.

What about my prediction of hiring?
What about my prediction on the Pinnacle CRJ200s
What about my slides about our JV?

were those wrong?
I'm happy to hear, but facts only please.

Cheers
George

But reserves now could fly to alv +15. The barn door was opened. Many have done it.

Yes, you did. My apologies. Your version is fit for Wall St., while my version is best and most easily understood by the street itself. Mgmt eats first...directly at odds with every book on leadership ever written and a perfect example of why DAL "leadership" cannot and should never be trusted.

I certainly won't disagree with you after this debacle.

Denny