Did the MEC Chair really say that? Dalpa itself had a bar graph on the MEC website shortly after the TA came out (it has since disappeared) that showed that over 1000 pilots had LCA trip drops last year.

So not even counting the ripple effect of The 75% LCA holdback, it effects far more than 2%.

It's going to be OE tagged hours not all LCA time.

I don't know the impact honestly.

Those graphs are in the negotiating committee slides on the dal.alpa.org pages.

I see what you are saying and will respectfully disagree. I think most of us, after discovering we are being fed bad info, search for a more reliable source. Anything other than accurate, unbiased information acts to confuse, taking energy away from the task/decision at hand.

Professor,

When you are back on FPL I would still like answers to these questions:

Original Questions-

Using all the language, sections/subsections in the new contract (not just cherry picking the section you decide to cite), is there any scenario where Delta or their third party provider (or anybody else that is not me or the doctor I use) will ask me to provide my medical records? Cite this language from the TA.

Along with this answer please provide:

1. All scenarios where this can happen.

2. How far back they can go.

3. The likely and potential consequences for me not turning over my medical records?

Follow up Questions-

1. I asked you to cite the language. Please show the old language and new language and describe in more detail. You really were not complete in your answer. Is there any scenario where more than just the doctors notes of the item in question (ie sore throat) can be requested? Who can request that information? Also speak more in depth to "When you're in the medical release window 24 days in 365, 56 in 3 years". Be specific and all inclusive.

2. You failed to answer this question. Instead you chose to give an answer to a different question (which also appears to not be truthful). Please answer the question I asked. How far back can they can go?

3. Please expand on this. Could there also be disciplinary action? Could someone be fired for not supplying this information? Could a pilots desire to keep their medical records private lead to pilots flying sick to not deal with the paper chase and threat of disciplinary action? Does the new policy increase the chance pilots will not be paid when they are sick due to using people or organizations established to deny as many claims as possible to reduce costs to Delta?

Read through the questions carefully. Give complete answers please.

Yes Professor, I know I know it is OE tagged hours, I don't think I said anything to the contrary. There is enough damage done with just that. For me to not like it. I haven't read one thing from the Union that addresses why they thought it was a good idea to give that back to the company.

On the LCA trip pull thing, think about how many new hires we have right now, and how many are being hired. If the company hires 1000 per year, that's AT LEAST 2000 trips per year, as they all need at least a couple trips for IOE.

Now add in all the first time Captain upgrades and F/O and Captain seat changes from all the A/E's for the past 12 months. They usually get two trips for OE too.

I'll bet the real answer is; we had probably over 4,000 LCA trips last year, maybe more.

That's at least 3,000 less 'good' trips for F/O's to bid, spread across the system of course, but the net effect is a whole lot less manning required in the F/O seats, and/or a whole lot less GS's if those guys are now on reserve.

Here's the napkin math: If the average IOE trip is 25 hours x 3000 IOE trips = 75,000 hours of trips, divided by an average line value of 75 hours = 1,000 fewer pilots required. THAT's why the company wants this!
The Trip Drop for IOE is one of the last good deals in our contract and for some reason, DALPA agreed to give it away.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. And as I understand it, talking to some LCA's, it is going to be even more trips as more and more new hires are going straight to the ER. Don't they require 3 trips each instead of 2 for that checkout.

From Chicago?

What's that supposed to mean? Newk is from Chicago. He can kick anyone's butt.

Go get em Newk.

Go on.

Get em.



:D

Per TA each projected newhire widebody OE (including 7ER) is estimated at 75 hours. Lots of newhires on 7ER = LOTS of OE being bought off (or withheld if TA passes).

Well said.

How many pilots are we supposed to hire for the rest of the year? If the TA passes, wonder if that changes for the worse?