Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1908047)

It's going to be OE tagged hours not all LCA time.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1908047)

I don't know the impact honestly.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1908047)

Those EDITED graphs are in the negotiating committee slides on the dal.alpa.org pages.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1908117)

Never will the DHS have access to your medical records. A verification or medical release only covers a description of the illness.

Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1908117)

2. How far back they can go?
June 1, 2015 on a rolling window. But only for verification.

Originally Posted by MtEverest (Post 1908150)

Let's say you had surgery on your wrist in 2010. The wrist is giving you problems now causing a sick call as you try to get operational/PT, etc. Since it is related could they require medical records back to the previous surgery on your wrist?

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1908181)

Its more than that though. The TA significantly lowers the threshold where we are required to verify. Not only is it a reduction from 100 to 75 to 80ish hours (equivalent) but the removal of the ability to pre-verify prior to the threshold makes this a double whammy.

Now we will have to verify way sooner and way more often. As for compliance, its not just a matter of you are required to verify and you just say "nah nanny boo boo" and refuse to verify, just like refusing to show for a trip, etc. Its actually worse than that. You can make your best effort to verify, but if you can't find a doctor to "verify" you indeed had an upset stomach/headache/nausea/squirts/etc 3 days ago, which is completely unverifiable in the first place, then you can't verify, even if you try to verify.

So if you've already used your days for the rolling time period and you get something that you don't think can be verified, you better just drag yourself into work and tough it out because we're really trying to save money here. :(

Right or wrong, we all knew they were coming after sick useage. But this particular concession is deep and dangerous and is a flat out safety issue.

Are there abusers out there? I don't know, but supposedly the "big data" white paper crowd thinks so. OK, fine, perhaps there are some abusers. This is a drastic over reach that 100% will result in ether pilots now flying sick for "grey area" illnesses they don't feel can be easily verified, or pilots ending up having to fight for their jobs because they couldn't verify something that isn't verifiable in the first place. Or both. Almost definately both.

And no "records check" is going to change that in the slightest.

This new policy will reduce sick usage, and will increase pilots flying sick while at the same time increasing disciplinary action against pilots, potential abusers and non abusers alike.

The rolling lookback and loss of ability to pre-verify were deep, radically over reaching concessions. Outside of bankruptcy. In the best negotiating climate in the history of the industry.

I get that we're suppose to value out the entire agreement and weigh everything and all that. But a poison pill is a poison pill. Some things are just not for sale. At any price.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1908262)

So I take it there really won't be any webinars. Because you can capture the feed.

Now at the remaining roadshows one can always use a microphone app or the video app and get the q&a.

I wonder if the MEC was expecting this reception?

Originally Posted by satchip (Post 1908238)

Carl, there is downside protection in the new block hour metric. If AF/KLM flies a 380 now we can fly anything, a 777, 330, 76, or 75.

Originally Posted by satchip (Post 1908238)

If AF/KLM pulls back because of a downturn and puts a 777 or 330 on the route, we can still fly anything because the block hours are the same.

Originally Posted by satchip (Post 1908238)

Is this good? Not really because Delta got their ass in a crack because AF/KLM didn't pull back but we did. But it is downside protection in the contract. He is technically right. Blind Squirrel Theory.