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I wasn't blaming RA. I was using his words to show how absurd this TA is and where I think the TA should be.
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OK, I've done what I thought I'd never do. I've filled out a DPA card. It's going to be mailed tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
(Post 1904347)
Forgot,
From my ID you will be able to ascertain that I'm not in management and I do not have any position whatsoever in ALPA. That should clarify things quite a bit I imagine. Just a line puke. So c'mon lets get that cleared up shall we? Of course you could just say that you are wrong if you want. The beer sounds more fun though. Let's do it. |
Originally Posted by LivingTheDream
(Post 1904778)
Behind 50 pages in reading. Sorry if this has been already posted.
From a UAL guy and worth reading. As a UA guy I can tell you that everybody over hear I have talked to cares. We already have two of the big reasons you should vote NO on this TA in our contract. Both of which we desperately want to get rid of in our next one!!! If you guys can't hold the line, then we are screwed. We have the 75% of OE need can be blocked from FO bidding and as a 747 FO it absolutely sucks. Choice Flying trips are blocked every month, leaving less flying trips for senior folks to bid on. So, more senior folks are forced into Bunkie (IRO) slots. Increasing the likelyhood that you will get to go back to the training center for landings, YIPEEEEEEEE!!!! Also build less lines, so you need less FOs, forcing folks on to reserve that should hold a line and denying bids to the next folks in line that want to upgrade. That of course cascades down the rest of the seniority list and like the preverbial snowball going down a hill gains size as it goes, you end up with folks on the outside that can't get in. It is a huge give to the company!!!! The other part that we already have is the relaxed counting for JV/Scope. If you want to know how bad it is, the best example I can give is the LAX to Germany routes. We used to fly a 777 from LAX to FRA, but we don't anymore. Bad route you say, I laugh in your general direction, it is a great route!!!, just ask Lufthansa. They are currently flying an A380 from LAX-FRA, a 747-800 from LAX-FRA and an A340 from LAX-MUC. Thanks to our brilliant JV/Scope that is perfectly legal even though we don't get any metal on the route. A 757-200 counts the same as an A380!!!! You have got to be kidding me!!!!!! Again, these are two of the sections that we swallowed a horse pill over in our last agreement because we didn't have a joint contract and needed to get one to move our group along as one. Our last agreement was a hold your nose and vote yes, because it wasn't really voting yes on a contract as much as it was voting yes to end the separation of the two pilot groups! There is no way our current contract would pass on its own merits and I think you would hear that pretty consistently from the UA group. The gives that you have in your TA are very painful, anyone who tries to tell you differently is a either a Bold Faced Liar or completely ignorant. Those are the only two choices. If you vote yes on this and are in the bottom 3/4 of the seniority list, I think you will see that, despite the pay raises, your W-2 earnings will actually be lower than they would have been once the widebody growth stagnation is fully realized! Pay raises with no growth on the top end are worse than no pay raises but real Widebody growth! We had a huge number of outside compelling reasons to vote for a less than ideal contract 3 years ago. Those are gone for us and I don't see anyway that we would vote for your TA and I don't see any reason that you should either! Just bumping this one. Seemed pertinent and I can't keep up with this forum. |
^^^Like the UAL guy indicates…that's our job(s)^^^
At least it's the F/O jobs. Just wondering out loud, would the CAs here at DAL be OK with the LCAs having first crack at THEIR flying time??? (No need to answer, totally rhetorical question. We all know the answer.) |
Originally Posted by SharpestTool
(Post 1904909)
OK, that settles the sick leave hysteria.
I think the next issue that is causing massive consternation is the LCA line bidding changes. I will start gathering info and will be back to bust the myths and hysteria surrounding that section of the TA. |
Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble
(Post 1905201)
I do not see language supporting your statement starting with But... If you call in well....
There are exceptions: -it is only the 1st rotation during a sick leave period that counts, -if no one else gets the green slip, then you are awarded the trip If one adds a trip during the stickball footprint that sick trip is not counted in the FAR conflict calculation. At least that is what I get out of it. |
For some LCA clarification.
Hours pulled will be 75% of all OE time only. Not LCA hours or lines. It's not a huge difference. But a difference. |
Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 1905376)
For some LCA clarification.
Hours pulled will be 75% of all OE time only. Not LCA hours or lines. It's not a huge difference. But a difference. |
Originally Posted by 404yxl
(Post 1905377)
How big will training get in the coming years? Much bigger than now.
I would assume about the same as last year maybe? 1000ish a year should be about our max throughout. But just a guess. Someone here may know better. |
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