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Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1905216)

Black Helicopter Alert: Big Data and You Get ready for this one.

They are short pilots.

Black Helicopters?

If they are short pilots, why have they cut back hiring while announcing offseason international flying decreases due to declining yields?

I think your helicopter is missing a rotor blade.

I agree with you that they want lower sick leave cost, but I don't think this was a driver.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1905223)

I agree with you that they want lower sick leave cost, but I don't think this was a driver.

Good grief. Management would not negotiate such specific and draconian language if they weren't planning to exploit it.

Thinking "The company wouldn't do that" when the contract permits them to...is a fool's delusional hope.

Using that as a sales pitch...is a charlatan's dishonest manipulation.

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1905223)

They want to do more with less.

You know, Buzz isn't wrong about everything. The money is attractive. He glosses over the areas where our quality of life and personal information are trashed.

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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble (Post 1905045)

Recall the reps? If this is to help defeat the TA, you do not have the time. If it is to get new reps in for a longer process, maybe.

I suggest concentrating on getting pilots to see how bad the TA is and exercise their vote. That is a time critical issue.

The reason the YES reps must be recalled is simply to purge the MEC administration. If we keep this current administration, they will stop at nothing to get this passed. If it fails, they'll stop at nothing to ensure the next TA is even worse because this is the exact template used by Campbell.

If the current YES voting reps remain, they will NOT remove Donatelli and his administration. The only hope for that is a new MEC.

Agree however that the most pressing need is to defeat this TA. If it passes, no Union will matter.

Carl

From the latest update on the JV grievance:

This settlement is not part of the Section 6 negotiations currently in progress. The settlement agreement also includes language that dictates the distribution of these monies.

We will provide the details of the actual distribution in a future update.

Turns out the future update was a TA which fixes the glitch. Five bucks we don't get anymore details prior to the vote. MEC/NC/Mgt is betting on a yes vote and then problem solved. Then, we can get the milk toast language out to the surfs.

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Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1905192)

Unfortunately I had 767-400 FO on the JUMPSEAT today that said his crew were for the TA. All excited about the rates. Also said in the international lounge in Atlanta Friday afternoon all the talk was about the pay raise. We have our work cut out for us to defeat this turd.

Jumped on a 717 today. CAPT/CAPT--OE...both drooling on themselves over the pay rates. I think we're toast

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 1905119)

They say politics makes for strange bedfellows and this TA is doing exactly that. I'd never sign a DPA card because I don't want to be associated with people like TC or Carl or Purple. Heck, both of you are normally on my ignore list! But dangit Carl, you're absolutely right about something and it got me thinking.

Carl: "There are no abusers because if there were they'd be fired and they aren't doing that.". (Surface sucks for quoting on this forum).

Why is that I ask myself. It's because the can't. They might have the goods but they still can't because it is a contractual benefit after all. I flew with a guy who said he called in sick every month just because he could. It was his benefit. He's got a brother or brother in law who's a doctor so verification is no problem. The company hates it I'm sure but all they can do is harass him with a CP but Honey Badger don't care.

So what does the company do? This TA is the answer. Sec 14.G.3 says if the DHS doesn't like your verification after the MRT it may be "expanded to include a Company designated doctor or other health care professionals and the Director - Health Services and SVP of FO.".

So what does that mean? It means that a doc in the company can take your medical records and if not happy with your sick use can notify the FAA for certificate action. At the least it can notify the FAA and when you get your medical and don't report every one of those doc visits on your FAA form they got you for that.

I know the Delta medical guy has done more to help pilots get their tickets back. But we are talking about guys that the company wants to change their behavior at the least or terminate at the worst. Does anyone doubt that the "company designated doctor" will be on our side?

Thank you Carl for giving me this epiphany.

You're welcome satch. You're also right about the strange political bedfellows. I let my DPA card expire last year when it became clear to me that Delta pilots wanted to stay with DALPA. Now, I think our full attention should be spent on defeating the TA first and any DPA activity now is really counterproductive.

I think this TA really is unifying us.

Carl

We can't convince everyone. This will be close.
We cannot let up.

LCA bidding impact

I was working on seeing how much the change of LCA bidding will affect FOs. You all have to remember its not just the hours missing its the challenge to line construction that will be an issue.
LCA Analysis for the Atlanta 717 Category
I composed this document to use some real month examples for how the TA change will affect FOs.
I counted twenty eight LCA on the Atlanta 717.
Math using July 2015 as an example.This assumes every LCA trip is needed for OE.I know that is not always true but as we lose 800 a year we will be utilizing all LCA.
If you take 28 LCA times an 80 hour month you get 2240 hours of time devoted to LCA.
75% of 2240 is 1680 hours of LCA time that the company cannot let FOs bid for in any particular month.
1680 hours divided by 80 hours is 21 lines of time that the company can withhold from our category.
The company estimates 195 lines for July .That is TEN percent of our lines (10.7) lines of time GONE.
That is also the equivalent of 80 four day trips GONE.
Number of LCAs who held off the 4th of July was 21 out of 28.Now imagine how much more challenging getting major holidays off will be when there are a majority of those 21 lines not available for line construction to get off the 4th of July.
Who will this bump from line holder to reserve, weekends off to partial weekends, commuter to non-commuter.
Some other points to consider.When the company opens a new category there is a higher proportion of the Captain seniority list that is LCA.Those new categories will have this concession magnified.Think the EMB 175 and the A350.