Let's face it guys, the money is good. To us that weren't' here for C2K it's astounding. If that's all I cared about I'd be voting yes.

But when you peel back the onion you begin to cry. The money isn't growth money, it's replacement money. Every penny of increase in these pay rates comes from somewhere else in the contract. Profit sharing, scope losses, and productivity gains for the company plus the other employee groups profit sharing finances every last penny. In other words, every penny raise is taken directly from the back pocket of someone else. Is that what we are about?

ALPA can ensure due process is followed and ensure the punishment fits the crime. The punishment should be also take into consideration what the company has previously adminstered to other pilots for the same offense.

Wonder what their "perspectives" will be if they ever find out the TA sells away our jobs to JV partners, screws ALL of our FO's, and starts a new B scale.

Carl

Exactly right. I was overall quite pleased when I saw the money.

How incredibly disappointing when you start to peel back the layers. It's all about increasing productivity with less premiums while also giving the company more leeway in areas they wanted.

If slowplay would look around that FDX thread, they were at first upset with their progress, but they have attained some perspective that maybe their path isn't as bad as it seems with what we are giving up to get this quick TA. The UA comment he had was the only positive one, the rest were saying "no no no!" particularly with the LCA holdback thing (one of their biggest desires to fix).

We'll know in a few weeks.

Carl

I was thinking about this myself. JV grievance was not supposed to be part of C2015 negotiations, however a settlement was reached 2 days before the TA was released. As far as I know, we only have one set of negotiators, so when did they manage to discuss the JV Grievance if they were so busy with TA negotiations?

I'll answer this one.....They were banking on this TA overshadowing the settlement while C2015 changes the rules to put us back in compliance.

After all the reasons to vote NO already I didn't think it could get any worse. Now it looks like they want to adjust the reserve requirements. Good luck getting weekends off if your on reserve and by by green slips.

RA told us leading up to the JCBA that if things went smoothly we would be 2 to 3 years ahead of all the other airlines. Things did go smooth so shouldn't our contract be 2 to 3 years "better than everyone else? Stop comparing to where UA and American are now. According to RA We should be ahead of where they will be on there next contract

This isn't Richard Anderson's doing. This is the DALPA MEC administration's doing. None of what we're seeing was in our survey, OR IN OUR OPENER. Yet we have it anyway. Why? The answer is in the NYC captain's rep NO vote speech. "The TA did not meet the direction given to the negotiators by the MEC."

This is the MEC administration's doing. Richard simply signed off on it. I'm sure Richard and Campbell were stunned. Happily stunned.

Carl

I'm not angry at Richard Anderson and his crew. They are doing what they're supposed to do.

So, that leaves ALPA.