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The "wink wink" talking point from Dalpa was , "the company has money to throw at us. They need staffing relief."
Well, that's obviously a lie. LCA trip pull has nothing to do with staffing and everything to do with money. Another way for us to self-fund the rate increase. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1905447)
The "wink wink" talking point from Dalpa was , "the company has money to throw at us. They need staffing relief."
Well, that's obviously a lie. LCA trip pull has nothing to do with staffing and everything to do with money. Another way for us to self-fund the rate increase. 40 717 LCA fly 4 rotations/MO. That's 160 trips. 120 of those get pulled. Now instead of have two FOs on those trips, the guy awarded and the OE guy, they only have to assign one. The other has to fly other trips or down the line gets reserve. WS, GS, Open time dries up and they get to staff the category at straight pay rather than GS. When the huge training wave hits they will be prepared for it. They can hire less to cover it too. This is all about the staffing. |
Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 1905449)
Au contraaire mon frere'! This is about the staffing. The triple dipping FO making 200 per month is a classic Class Warfare straw man. They are using this to gin up resentment over some "FO getting a good deal, getting paid more than a CA". Sure some guys are doing that and I'm sure they'd love to stop it but the real money is in the reduced number of FOs required.
40 717 LCA fly 4 rotations/MO. That's 160 trips. 120 of those get pulled. Now instead of have two FOs on those trips, the guy awarded and the OE guy, they only have to assign one. The other has to fly other trips or down the line gets reserve. WS, GS, Open time dries up and they get to staff the category at straight pay rather than GS. When the huge training wave hits they will be prepared for it. They can hire less to cover it too. This is all about the staffing. 1. Less F/O's required 2. Less money for the F/O's that would have dropped and picked up a G/S 3. Les Quality of Life, as 75% of those 'good' trips the LCA's bid go away! |
Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 1905449)
Au contraaire mon frere'! This is about the staffing. The triple dipping FO making 200 per month is a classic Class Warfare straw man. They are using this to gin up resentment over some "FO getting a good deal, getting paid more than a CA". Sure some guys are doing that and I'm sure they'd love to stop it but the real money is in the reduced number of FOs required.
40 717 LCA fly 4 rotations/MO. That's 160 trips. 120 of those get pulled. Now instead of have two FOs on those trips, the guy awarded and the OE guy, they only have to assign one. The other has to fly other trips or down the line gets reserve. WS, GS, Open time dries up and they get to staff the category at straight pay rather than GS. When the huge training wave hits they will be prepared for it. They can hire less to cover it too. This is all about the staffing. Purp is right, it all abut money. |
Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 1905449)
Au contraaire mon frere'! This is about the staffing. The triple dipping FO making 200 per month is a classic Class Warfare straw man. They are using this to gin up resentment over some "FO getting a good deal, getting paid more than a CA". Sure some guys are doing that and I'm sure they'd love to stop it but the real money is in the reduced number of FOs required.
40 717 LCA fly 4 rotations/MO. That's 160 trips. 120 of those get pulled. Now instead of have two FOs on those trips, the guy awarded and the OE guy, they only have to assign one. The other has to fly other trips or down the line gets reserve. WS, GS, Open time dries up and they get to staff the category at straight pay rather than GS. When the huge training wave hits they will be prepared for it. They can hire less to cover it too. This is all about the staffing. The pot is smaller. And with what is left over we are just moving it around the wallets of our members. What a union we have. |
Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 1905371)
Section 23.Q.7.f Exception two: ?This provision will not apply to a pilot who adds a rotation under the fly back provisions in Sec 14.E.2. See example 2.
If one adds a trip during the stickball footprint that sick trip is not counted in the FAR conflict calculation. At least that is what I get out of it. They are going to create a whole lot more IA's with stuff like this! |
Originally Posted by Flamer
(Post 1905465)
Back this savings out of the 8%. Back out some SL savings. The 6% is already gone due to PS. It doesn't take long to realize this isn't a cost neutral contract. It actually saves the Co money as bloomberg already calculated. This doesn't even take into account the realized revenues to to top a and bottom end scope capitulation.
The pot is smaller. And with what is left over we are just moving it around the wallets of our members. What a union we have. |
Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 1905119)
... Sec 14.G.3 says if the DHS doesn't like your verification after the MRT it may be "expanded to include a Company designated doctor or other health care professionals and the Director - Health Services and SVP of FO.".
So what does that mean? It means that a doc in the company can take your medical records and if not happy with your sick use can notify the FAA for certificate action. At the least it can notify the FAA and when you get your medical and don't report every one of those doc visits on your FAA form they got you for that. I know the Delta medical guy has done more to help pilots get their tickets back. But we are talking about guys that the company wants to change their behavior at the least or terminate at the worst. Does anyone doubt that the "company designated doctor" will be on our side? Thank you Carl for giving me this epiphany. I have many friends on the 4th floor. They all say that there are ~1800 pilots who "regularly abuse" the sick leave. The company has the list and is unhappy, especially when the guys call in sick right before the trip. BUT this is waaay overkill! |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1905447)
The "wink wink" talking point from Dalpa was , "the company has money to throw at us. They need staffing relief."
Well, that's obviously a lie. LCA trip pull has nothing to do with staffing and everything to do with money. Another way for us to self-fund the rate increase. That's it. That's all this is. 8%. While we are still 18% behind our 2004 pay rates. Now add in the inflation since 2004. You'll make a lot more than that as an F/O by flying a couple green slips when you get bought off your next couple IOE trips, or when you move to the next higher paying seat.. If the company gets relief on IOE trips, guess what? Your upgrade just got pushed back a few years. Voila, no pay raise for you! |
Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
(Post 1905475)
Absolute craziness! Every pilot should vote NO.
I have many friends on the 4th floor. They all say that there are ~1800 pilots who "regularly abuse" the sick leave. The company has the list and is unhappy, especially when the guys call in sick right before the trip. BUT this is waaay overkill! |
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