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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1907254)

Carl. Purple. Do I get an apology when you find out you are completely wrong about me being more than one person?

Will that happen?

You've just flat out lied to us man. If I was a mod, I'd ban you for it given your Union position and the fact you're here on flight pay loss. But you'd just come back again under another screen name. You're the one that needs to apologize.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1907256)

You could be right. But a good counter tactic is to get people sensitized as to what they're going to face at the road shows. They'll face administration folks discussing their opinions and trying to portray them as contractual fact. The more practiced you are at countering that BS, the better.

Carl

More warning....

If you go to the roadshow and refuse to take the spin for what it is, you will then start getting bullied with comments like "we've answered your question numerous times now, can we please move on"....blatantly attempting to publicly shame you...when in fact they haven't answered your question(s) at all. They will gang up on you, too, so it's important to have some compadres in the crowd who are briefed on the tactics who will back you up with a "no you haven't" so people cannot be singled out by the bullies.

"Show me the specific language in the TA where it says that" is the single most effective counter you can pose them.

They are practiced at this. You need to be ready for it.

.

Question for Professor and Sink

Did not see an answer so re-posting this:

Guys,

First off thanks for volunteering. Here is my question.

For months I have been hearing from DALPA that the company will have their wants and this is a negotiation and that both sides will have to make concessions.

So what were our concessions? I have yet to hear about a single concession from the official DALPA correspondence. Since you guys are dealing with facts please list what concessions of ours that this TA includes.

Thanks Scoop

Ok Carl. How about this.

How about you leave APC. Forever of shiznit and I are the same individual.

I will give you my profit sharing check next year if I am shiznit too.

Let's see your cards Carl.

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1907193)

I appreciate the twisting in the wind, for no reason related to the TA.

But my name is neither brian nor shiznit.

Thank you for clearing that up.

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1907268)

Same boring "I'll bet you" strategy that shiznit and tsquare always did when they were cornered. Let's stick to the topic shall we?

You lied to all of us in your response to Denny. You owe everyone an apology and a pledge to not do it again.

Carl

Yes or no.

You said I lied about who I am.

Let's deal with that.

You accused me. Either stand up like a man and be counted or back off and admit you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1903824)

This will be a very damaging TA regardless of how we vote on it. It we pass it we eat massive concessions all around, including unprecidented foreign alter ego airlines and a lower and further reduceable AF/KLM JV. If we vote against it it will take a strong effort to overcome the baseline it created.

So I propose we gift the company 100 million dollars.

That's right, and I'm not kidding.

If the net value of this TA is supposedly 1.1B over 3 years, and assuming it was properly comprehensively costed out (I don't think it was, but the company and the NC will absolutely stand by that it was) then when we vote it down let's offer 1.0B over 3 years to our current contract and put it in payrates alone. Nothing else. Nothing. Else.

The company couldn't possibly have a problem with that, could they? If the true net cost was 1.1B extra and we're offering them a free 100M (to return to the shareholders! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!) then they would be a fiduciary obligation for them to accept that.

Assuming this TA was properly costed out all around that is. Which further assumes they would *never* do any of the worst case things that they *could* do IAW this TA, like massive sick harassment on a scale never before seen, foreign alter egos, 75/76's against a new A380 order for our "partners" AF/KLM, etc.

If the true cost of the pros and cons cost 1.1B extra, from our point of view and theirs, give them one hundred million dollars, or donate it to the charity of their choice, and put the 1.0B into pay rates alone and stick with current book.

What possibe problem could they have with that?

I am going to keep posting this every few pages because it is a very logical well thought statement that does a few things.
1. Shows the absurdity of the costing numbers DALPA has used.
2. Makes people think about what DALPA is trying to sell.
3. Makes the point without any personal attacks.

Ps. You would also keep the 2012 PS

Back off on the personal attacks, guys. I'm looking at you, SayAlt, Carl, and Purple Drank particularly.

I will start slapping wrists if this continues.

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Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1907267)

Thanks scoop. I've been waiting too. I wonder if they will write as long and passionately about the cons as they do the pros.