Some have and do have multiple screen names here. You don't want to bark up that tree. It's best just to move on.

Well. I do not.

And that was the specific accusation.

And I'm not going to tolerate it.

How is it that Carl risks no credibility with baseless accusations? And when proven wrong after a bizarre checking of the wrong people's schedules call all of the P2P teams liars.

I want him to be held accountable. But maybe that's too much?

Page 942 has been deleted. Well, it shows I can click on it but it just goes to page 941. Same with the L&G thread. Always a phantom page number.

Damn you Tom! :D


Now I'm on page 942? !@$Q$@.

He was told to cease and desist and got a wrist slap for continuing to press the issue. If you want to discuss it further, take it to PM. End of discussion.

Professor this is a question for you. I'm trying to figure out how you can defend what I see as indefensible. Personally, I think the contract is indefesable but I know you will disagree with that. What I would like explained is how DALPA works. I have been at two other Alpa cariers and never experienced the kind of sales job like this. I have been through the whole process, through the end of a strike, and even in the toughest times the sales pitch was never so hard. I would like you to try and defend the sales pitch. I'm not being disingenuous.

If you honestly present the cons are you chastised by the others in your circle or threatened with no support from Alpa leadership if you want to advance within Alpa. I'm truly trying to understand what motivates you to only present the pros. Is your loyalty to DALPA or the pilot group? Sadly, when it comes to how this TA is being presented you can't be loyal to both.

I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm taking a shot at you. I'm not. I'm just trying to understand how DALPA operates.

Remember guys this was a question for professor.

Thanks 80.

why are most of the P2P guys jerks-especially the dudes on facebook. very condescending when talking to other pilots.

Sage advice.

Guys-
Time is short. Let's just focus on the TA.
It will fail on the merits if we can educate enough pilots about what's in it.

There will be time for the whole ALPA debate after this vote.

Crunch the #s - $1B as pay rates?
 

The appeal of retaining C2012 is gathering steam. Gloopy's idea of adding an amount less than Delta has pegged in their C2015 costing (a flat $1B) ought to make C2012 appear downright magical in comparison.

Is anybody better than me at calculating out the $1B in straight pay? My public school math comes up with just shy of a $31 per hour rate increase for a "theoretical average minimally achieving pilot," assuming a lot of things that I'm not sure about, but seem somewhat rational: a billion dollars divided by 12k pilots divided by three years divided by 900 (75 paid hours per month). Off the top of my head, that's pretty close to what a 7ER F/O would see if the TA is implemented, at the 2018 end state.

So a $30-ish hourly pay increase for the mystical average pilot, on DOS for three years, or a lesser intitial amount ramped up to a higher amount by 2018, simply by deploying $1B to pay rates. Leaving every other aspect of the PWA alone. Before poking holes in my formula, please accept that it's ballpark and purely attaching a rough number to what Gloopy originally put forth. And recall, I started this post with a request for more precise calculations, which I welcome.

The point is, C2012 looks pretty sweet next to this pig of a TA. Add costing that Delta purports to accept ($100M less actually) to C2012, and it's all good. Add a side order of current profit sharing, and life goes on. What's the problem? Of course TA supporters will say that's a simplistic theory applied to a complex web of interwoven issues. But really, think about it. Take the status quo, add some cash that is clearly in the business plan, and move on with the stellar performance Delta has been achieving. Who gets hurt? Instead, we are presented with enormous give-backs to attain a meager pay raise. It's unlikely any current Delta pilot will ever experience a more favorable atmosphere in which to build a solid contract. Keeping asking yourself, and your colleagues,
"why are we asked to surrender established ground in prosperous times?" There is no reasonable answer. The appropriate response is "NO!"

MR......dalpa has a 2 week training course in developing that particular demeanor.