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Valar Morghulis 06-16-2015 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1906954)
Exactly like Orvil says. A junior captain is vulnerable to displacement as senior FO's give up and bid captain. If you're a junior captain, you're vulnerable to this.

Carl

Since when do award bids bump bottom pilots off equipment around here? So senior FO's may upgrade and junior Capts will stay junior longer and other pilots will be awarded the vacated spots. Agree it will shift bidding demographics to a degree.

jobagodonuts 06-16-2015 01:20 PM

Professor, can you or anyone else confirm that Delta will employ Sedgwick to manage any part of sick leave administration under this TA, and if so, what part?

lineplug 06-16-2015 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1906935)
It makes total sense to me that this is a significant issue to you, and I think all Delta pilots should consider it in their review of the TA. I have been trying to put numbers on this, from a meeting yesterday. I wasn't able to attend the open session brief to the MEC last week, so I'm not caught up on the info yet.

According to my notes, there were 15,474 trips days dropped in 2014, or 1.42 days/pilot/year. 50% of dropped days went to 288 pilots, 75% to 767 pilots. 252 pilots averaged more than one day per month dropped. The concentrations vary widely by fleet type, i.e. more on the ATL 717B. That's who is getting the drops.

I think it will also be instructive to understand what % of trips would likely be removed from the bidding. I can't fully substantiate this for you yet, the total number of trips being pulled sounded like it would be < than 2% (of FO trips, obviously). I'm being told a notepad should be available shortly, but in the meantime, there is a road show in Peach Tree City tomorrow from 1-4PM, and the road show schedule has been e-mailed in Contrails 20.

Thanks for the info. I look forward to seeing some details.

SayAlt 06-16-2015 01:25 PM

Good lord.

Now Bender (aka Tsquare) is attempting to claim...in effect...that RA is a moron who doesn't know what he's doing re: the stock buyback, all the while using quaint mgmt phrases like "move the needle".

(sigh)

And people wonder why I advised putting him on ignore. You can't make this **** up.

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SayAlt 06-16-2015 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1906976)
Awesome. Just freakin awesome.

This is a preview of the road shows folks. They're not designed to inform. Their only purpose is to mislead.

Carl



If anyone wants/needs any proof of ^^^^this^^^^ simply read Donatelli's latest letter....


Dear Fellow Pilot,

BLAH BLAH BLAH

We just signed a tentative agreement with Delta Air Lines that is the richest in pilot history, unmatched anywhere in the country or the world, and which gives the Delta pilots substantial raises in pay over the next three years.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Here is what I pledge: No sell job.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Fraternally,

Captain Mike Donatelli
Delta MEC Chairman

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/de...li-panics.html

No sell job, eh??

That sure reads like one to me!

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orvil 06-16-2015 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1906882)
I'm not saying they are a good expenditure. Never said that. All I am saying is that the perception that it enriches the executives is minimal at best because with the amount of stock we have outstanding, it won't move the needle enough to "enrich" anybody. They already invest 1/4 of the profits in the employees, pretty hard to justify doing a bigger percentage than that from a business perspective. Do you disagree with that?

The investment theory is stock buy backs provide a floor where the stock price won't drop below. This only works as long as there is money to repurchase stock. If the underlying company is crap, it won't save it. Eventually, there has to be a point where they can't support it anymore.

orvil 06-16-2015 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by lineplug (Post 1906889)
Thanks Orvil. I realize there are a lot of variables but man it would be nice to see the numbers. I am a FO and very worried about the impact of this.

Listen to your gut on this one. You have every reason to be concerned.

Ferd149 06-16-2015 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by jobagodonuts (Post 1906978)
Professor, can you or anyone else confirm that Delta will employ Sedgwick to manage any part of sick leave administration under this TA, and if so, what part?

Yes, I would like to hear some specifics too.

I can't imagine the current DHS office is manned for this increase in activity. Who is picking up the "slack"

Ferd

Denny Crane 06-16-2015 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1906732)
Let's start with 1990 shall we?

Pick what you want. It's your vote.

But compare yourself to industry comps with regards to raises.

Don't let me influence your decision.

Please.

To compare apples to apples one needs to consider inflation over the same period of time. Yes we reach the rates by 2018 but as ha been pointed out before, a dollar today doesn't buy what a dollar did in 2004.

On another note Professor, if you are only trying to verify a illness and the company doesn't agree with your Dr and wants you to release your medical records (14.G.1/2), why do they need access to consecutive days before and after? How many days are we talking about? The company's only concern should be the work days you were sick, not anything else...

Denny

Timbo 06-16-2015 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis (Post 1906977)
Since when do award bids bump bottom pilots off equipment around here? So senior FO's may upgrade and junior Capts will stay junior longer and other pilots will be awarded the vacated spots. Agree it will shift bidding demographics to a degree.

Think about where all the 747 F/O's are going to displace to.

If this thing goes through, instead of them displacing to say, senior 777 F/O or senior A330 F/O, they will probably say, "Well, that whole LCA trip drop thing was great while it lasted, but it sucks so bad now, I'm going to displace into the 767ER Captain seat.".

Presto, the junior 767 Captains are displaced to the 737, and those junior Captains displace to the 88, and those junior Captains have a party because they HATE flying the MD88!

You guys are playing checkers, Richard is playing chess. You all need to look about 2-3 years (at least!) down the road to see the same thing Richard is seeing and setting the table for today.


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