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ERflyer 06-10-2015 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by mesaba13 (Post 1900628)
Just a 2 year guy here that is expecting about an 18000 profit sharing check for 2015 wondering what that check looks like for 2016 if we make 6 billion?

The other thing is what impact on profit sharing is there if we traded all profit sharing for wages? ie if we take 500 million from the company in contract increases, this would reduce profits by 500 million and thus 100 million less in profit sharing to us?

1 - 16%

2 - Increased expenses reduce profit.

Ferd149 06-10-2015 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1900639)
I somewhat agree with you and others. However,

Education is one thing. Downplaying the adverse effects of a clause in this ta is another. They are playing on words. "Direct effect" on 180 people.......

Sunday morning talk shows must really drive you crazy 😁😄

Lifeisgood 06-10-2015 09:22 AM

Guys,

I am DGS-ing in the training center. I retired and I can say that I don't care.


But I remember doing hundreds of your CQ's after C2012 and how you were regretting your yes votes.
I heard so many times "it is the contract now and we voted on it".

Get your swingers on the MEC to man up!

Ferd149 06-10-2015 09:25 AM

Am I just a Twitter moron or is the MEC not live tweeting today's meeting?

GunshipGuy 06-10-2015 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1900514)
He signed off and hasn't been back since he said he didn't know anything about the gold bug guy:D

I think a lot of us had the same thought as to who he might be, especially if we had flown with gold bug.

Denny Crane 06-10-2015 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 1900658)
I think a lot of us had the same thought as to who he might be, especially if we had flown with gold bug.

I think 80 said he was given a "timeout" for not playing nicely with others.

Denny

TheManager 06-10-2015 09:33 AM

Professor.

Answer this. Did the NC achieve the same band for the A330 at Delta as AMR did for the A330 they have?

***AMR 777/a330/767-4- all in the same band.***

Vikz09 06-10-2015 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 1900641)
1 - 16%

2 - Increased expenses reduce profit.

Last year it was 16.58% on a PTIX of roughly 4.5 billion. Disclaimer: I am not entirely sure of last years PTIX. For this year if we did 6 billion in PTIX you could expect a percentage well north of 16.58.... my guess is it will be closer to 20-25%. OF course if this TA passes you will loose at large sum of this that was converted to wages in 2016. That's why you see a whopping 0.25% effective wage increase next year not the 6%. You will fund that raise from PS.

LeineLodge 06-10-2015 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by APCLurker (Post 1900620)
You say that absent one issue, you could support this ta.

You then admit that the pay is "underwhelming."

You could really support a ta that has "underwhelming" pay during what is probably the best negotiating environment we have had in a long, long time?

Billions and Billions of record profits, combined with the company finding 5 BILLION lying around to do a stock buyback with, and you are ok with "underwhelming" pay?

I am also curious what you think the "plenty good" (your words) is in this ta? Plenty?

.

Underwhelming means it is less than I want.

I am going to refrain from listing my opinion of the good items on here, as much as I am trying to avoid slamming the negatives until I fully understand everything. I think we are all better served by looking at each point objectively and letting it pass/fail on its own.

Wuggs 06-10-2015 09:52 AM

I was content to lurk here until the subject of Professor being on FPL was raised. I have no problem with gathering information (it's one reason I sent in a DPA card and, in the early 90s, a PPA card). I do have a problem with paying FPL to a guy to post on a forum that is unconnected to ALPA or Delta. Especially a guy who is doing his darnedest to paint the TA in as positive a light as possible while still being able to claim that he is only providing information. Claiming that only 180 pilots will be "directly impacted" by FO/LCA restrictions is borderline disingenuous. We may not even get a chance to vote on this TA so why do we need to pay FPL to a guy posting on APC? We have a road show process where FPL can legitimately be paid for people who can provide all the same info that Prof is providing. IMO this is an inappropriate use of my dues dollars.
I will be voting no.


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