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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
(Post 1899517)
Considering the amount of PS we retained, it's a solid TA.
Do you think is is ok to remove trips for FOs to bid? Do feel it is ok to just JV our job away? And regarding PS. RETAIN? We should retain it all. |
Originally Posted by seamonster
(Post 1899497)
Thank you. I think that, not 100%, but most of the Captains feel the way you do. There are obviously some Captains and FOs that are willing to reduce the quality of life of others for what, I don't know.
Just saying what needs to be said. But I'm rather melancholy about the whole thing, I think it will pass unless all hell breaks loose in the next few hours. I was stunned the CDO thing got shot down the way it did a few months back, I guess that could happen again. |
Someone mentioned the slides are on the ALPA site....anyone know where?
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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
(Post 1899517)
Considering the amount of PS we retained, it's a solid TA.
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What did you all expect? AA +20? That ain't happening in any universe. We ended up with AA +15. Damn, that isn't enough?
Actually I'm waiting for one of you to say "that isn't true, PS isn't guaranteed." Which I will say sure is according to everyone who says 8,0,3,3. The only way that happens is if we have over 6 billion in profit like 2014. Then they forget that the remaining 11% of PS pays out. ADD it up. AA +15%. Can't have it both ways. Insisting profits are here forever and not account for the PS in total compensation. If this is rejected we continue down the path, fine. Next March we have an appointment with the NMB. They will laugh when we say AA +15% just ain't enough. You better drop the crack pipe if you think an iceberg isn't part of that future. NMB can do math boys and girls. They understand TVM as well. They really don't like Poo Monkeys who play with gasoline cans and matches. |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 1899527)
The company has its NEEDS, and more than enough cash to pay for them. It has some self-induced problems that I'm under no obligation to fix for them at my/my family's own expense. The company also has a shocking arrogance (and in my opinion, ignorance) to throw $5B to Wall Street, and this POS to us. It's a sellers market, and we're in no hurry to offer discounts. Offer a fair contract and I'm happy to join forces and kick some buttox in this industry.
The middle of your quote, sir, says it all. Well, almost. |
Originally Posted by qball
(Post 1899528)
Retained? Why are we giving up any. Oh yeah...so we can self fund this thing.
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Originally Posted by SharpestTool
(Post 1899478)
Not happening for a very good and valid reason. This board represents the minority. Nothing plausible here can and will garner support. The majority of pilots are pragmatic and unemotional thinkers, unlike here. This is an echo chamber for the minority to vent and espouse irrational positions that are far detached from reality. The majority of pilots can do math, unlike here. TVM is an understood concept, rejected here. The majority understands the process of section 6 negotiations, lost in ignorance here.
Step out of the bubble. |
Originally Posted by SharpestTool
(Post 1899478)
Not happening for a very good and valid reason. This board represents the minority. Nothing plausible here can and will garner support. The majority of pilots are pragmatic and unemotional thinkers, unlike here. This is an echo chamber for the minority to vent and espouse irrational positions that are far detached from reality. The majority of pilots can do math, unlike here. TVM is an understood concept, rejected here. The majority understands the process of section 6 negotiations, lost in ignorance here.
Step out of the bubble. |
Just received a reply from C20 opposes the TA! Contact your reps.
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