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Professor 06-09-2015 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 1899436)
Fair enough. Sorry on jumped on that one :)

No worries. Please spread the word.

Don't vote yes or no if we all get a TA to vote on based on your buddy's anger.

Read all the applicable data available. Then if questions remain, ask at the road shows.

TED74 06-09-2015 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 1899420)
How is this industry leading pay rates?

Still below FDX at current contract. Will be 20% lower this Fall once they sign.

Vote NO!

If you're looking for reasons the company was in a hurry, this could be a big one...

TED74 06-09-2015 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 1899418)
How would captains feel if the LCA bid before the rest of the captains and then those trips were removed.

First PBS runs the LCA bids.
Then runs the CP bids with LCA trips removed.
Then runs FO trips with LCA trips removed.

Shouldn't we just have the OE FOs bid first before any of this???

TheManager 06-09-2015 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1899438)
No worries. Please spread the word.

Don't vote yes or no if we all get a TA to vote on based on your buddy's anger.

Read all the applicable data available. Then if questions remain, ask at the road shows.

Why are you so convinced this TA will make it past the LEC reps?

It's just business, not a threat. But if this makes it out to the pilots, there will be a recallapolooza happening in every LEC.

D Mantooth 06-09-2015 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Commando (Post 1899420)
How is this industry leading pay rates?

Still below FDX at current contract. Will be 20% lower this Fall once they sign.

Vote NO!

I think you need to recheck your numbers.

FedEx 777: $261/hour
DAL 777: $311/ hour on amendable date; $330/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)

FedEx 767: $261/hour
DAL 767: $260 an hour on amendable date, $276/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)

FedEx 757 $225/hour
DAL 757 $260/hour on amendable date, $276/hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)

The above is based on the FedEx pay sheet on this website. I'm not sure if they are accurate. I also don't think they have profit sharing, but I'm not sure.

To be honest, I hope they do beat us. But they've been in mediation for years. It would take a huge raise just to beat us, and of course a bigger one to beat us by 20%. I wish them luck (very sincerely).

Professor 06-09-2015 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1899444)
Why are you so convinced this TA will make it past the LEC reps?

It's just business, not a threat. But if this makes it out to the pilots, there will be a recallapolooza happening in every LEC.

i think you missed the IF in my sentence above.

IF we get a TA to vote on.

hockeypilot44 06-09-2015 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by jiminmem (Post 1899296)
It'll still pass. My guess is 65% yes. We'll get them next time. At least I have a $1.20 a day more in per diem to make up for it.

No way do they get 65 percent. Isn't that what C2012 got? Every single person that voted no for C2012 will vote no to this. Add in some yes voters turned no. I'm honestly not sure this passes through the MEC.

APCLurker 06-09-2015 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 1899428)
Let's stop *****ing and get busy, write your reps. Tell your brothers/sisters to write them. If they get thousands of emails, they might return this inadequate TA. Self funded pay raises, etc. are not what we should be accepting while the company is buying back $5 billion in stock. Dividends are fine. If you want to monetize profit sharing, show us the money.



At this point, people should not only be emailing/calling their reps, they should email/call the mec chairman, the negotiating committee members, and anyone/everyone else they can in the dalpa structure......

Maddog Heaven 06-09-2015 10:02 AM

I've been sitting in front of my desktop computer all morning and into the early afternoon. Just staring at this "TA."

I haven't shaved.

I haven't brushed my teeth.

I haven't showered.

My phone keeps ringing....but I'm just ignoring it.

That's how p@#%*d I am at this deal.

Why on Earth are we giving concessions on sick leave? Why are we carrying Dr's notes into the Docs office...like 3rd graders?

You want to encourage people to fly sick? What if the illness is mental (Germanwings)?

You want to give up 50% of your profit sharing above 2.5B?

If you are an FO, what are you doing even considering this "deal?" You want your already dismal bid package to get further watered down by LCA's taking trips away?

I could go on, but why?

TED74 06-09-2015 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 1899446)
I think you need to recheck your numbers.

FedEx 777: $261/hour
DAL 777: $311/ hour on amendable date; $330/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)

FedEx 767: $261/hour
DAL 767: $260 an hour on amendable date, $276/ hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)

FedEx 757 $225/hour
DAL 757 $260/hour on amendable date, $276/hour 2018 (plus profit sharing)

The above is based on the FedEx pay sheet on this website. I'm not sure if they are accurate. I also don't think they have profit sharing, but I'm not sure.

To be honest, I hope they do beat us. But they've been in mediation for years. It would take a huge raise just to beat us, and of course a bigger one to beat us by 20%. I wish them luck (very sincerely).

I'm surprised the company is even willing to speak the F word (FedEx) during our own negotiations...with their safe and enormous retirement, and their ratio of WB to NB flying. 777 pay rates don't mean much if you're on a 717, 88, 320, etc.


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