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Old 06-14-2015 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
And why is that? Why is voting to be closed 5 days before the next earnings release???
I've seen this posted several times. The earnings will not be a huge surprise. 1/3 of this quarters numbers are already in and public. Even if Delta makes 10% more than forecast, it's still a big number. All the brokerage houses have forecasts and there's a consensus number out there.

Would a 10, 20 or 30% change up or down really mean anything different to us in how we vote?
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Old 06-14-2015 | 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Jerry,

In your DPA world that you advocate EVERY TA has to be voted on by the pilots. Is your organization a windsock, or are you being hypocritical?
The YES voters on the MEC disregarded the will of their members. They disregarded the survey. They did exactly as ordered by the insiders. You included.

You overplayed your hand this time tenfold. You are going to get what you gave King. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Selfish, arrogant, self serving and ignorant.

Shame on you and the inner circle.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
Selfish, arrogant, self serving and ignorant.

Shame on you and the inner circle.
I'll take that as you're being hypocritical.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I've seen this posted several times. The earnings will not be a huge surprise. 1/3 of this quarters numbers are already in and public. Even if Delta makes 10% more than forecast, it's still a big number. All the brokerage houses have forecasts and there's a consensus number out there.

Would a 10, 20 or 30% change up or down really mean anything different to us in how we vote?
It is American's no hedge earnings that will tell the story. It will show what we will make with no hedges.

Q1 is the worst quarter. American made $1.4 billion. Q2 is worse than Q3, the best quarter.

American will make IMO $3.1 billion in Q2 and over $10 billion this year.

Nice try to soft peddle the increases. Delta's 2015 Q1 was 36% higher than Q1 2014. Not a bad profit sharing increase if we keep you from selling us a concessionary contract.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I'll take that as you're being hypocritical.
I'll take it that you and your buddies will do anything to pass this TA even though the pilots are clearly opposed.

What do the line pilots know? They are not experts like you and your extra smart lifers.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I've seen this posted several times. The earnings will not be a huge surprise. 1/3 of this quarters numbers are already in and public. Even if Delta makes 10% more than forecast, it's still a big number. All the brokerage houses have forecasts and there's a consensus number out there.

Would a 10, 20 or 30% change up or down really mean anything different to us in how we vote?

Fair enough. Maybe there isn't any smoke coming from the fact that voting will close just ahead of the next quarterly report.

But, when you combine RA's urgency to get this TA put to bed along with the fact that he hopes to do so before the next quarterly report, that certainly smells fishy to me.

What does he know that we don't?? More importantly...

Can that urgency be used as future leverage if the TA gets voted down??

Disclaimer: I trust RA and mgmt just as far as I can throw a 747.

How about you?
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Old 06-14-2015 | 03:15 PM
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I want to defeat this TA. But here's the thing.
The votes we need are in Atlanta. I've been based in Atlanta a long time. The pilots down here are "conservative". In the old sense of the word. If you push for too much too fast you will meet resistance.
Our immediate goal is to reject this TA. Calling for DPA cards and a recall of all the Atlanta reps is a strategic mistake.
I'm just saying.

Let's win this vote. There will be plenty of time after that to debate what, if anything, needs to be done regarding ALPA.
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Old 06-14-2015 | 03:25 PM
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>>Our immediate goal is to reject this TA. Calling for DPA cards and a recall of all the Atlanta reps is a strategic mistake.

Let's win this vote. There will be plenty of time after that to debate what, if anything, needs to be done regarding ALPA.
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This.... ^^^^^^^^^ Focus.....and get on the phone to your pilot buds!
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