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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1911792)

That's crap. You are asking me to fore go a significant pay increase. Period. It's well north of a "couple of percent", and sitting around for awhile to satisfy the bloodlust I am seeing ain't gonna help. The money is THE thing that is good about this TA. Other than that, notsomuch.

Bender,

The Atlanta reps just sent out a letter where they acknowledge 3.B.4. They say that TA compensation rates in 2018 will be higher. This is true. I did the 3.B.4 math and only came up a percent or two below the TA with total compensation in 2018.

Have you asked your reps to show the union's math with 3.B.4 in play? I think they are reluctant to release it because the difference is soo small

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1911752)

You're asking him to take a 15.75% paycut because he'll enjoy better QOL in the current PWA? I'm sure he'll be reeling from the dramatic cuts of 23.G.5 and the travesty of getting verification after calling out over 14 days sick. Will the "increased" QOL make up for the TVM that extra 15.75% would have put the DC plan?

Since you've done the extensive research please enlighten us how much those "automatic" pay raises will be.

You're asking people to give up jV concessions, RJ concessions, bidding concessions and sick leave concessions so someone can have an 8% raise on July 1 instead of September 1st.

A good post from FB:

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I was asked by one of our Chief Pilots in Atlanta last week...."You are going to vote for the TA...right?". He is actually just a nice guy and we were having a friendly conversation. His logic was that I'm in my last year and the old guys will vote for the TA. WRONG!!!! I am not going to leave everyone else with permanent damage in order to get a few extra dollars for myself. My opinion is that we shouldn't be making concessions to get a contract 6 months early. What is the rush? Don't vote out of fear. Vote No!!

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1911888)

You're asking people to give up jV concessions, RJ concessions, bidding concessions and sick leave concessions so someone can have an 8% raise on July 1 instead of September 1st.

What happens on September 1st? My crystal ball is a little cloudy.

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Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 1911868)

8/.26/3/3 with PS factored in. Yes Bender, you give up 8 percent now, and then the contractually triggered industry raises get you 3 percent (or more) depending on how UAL shakes out. But you keep at minimum 20 percent PS year over year (yes we all know unless another tragic event happens, in that case we're probably getting the company to beg for pay cuts anyway), but with profits the way theyre trending it could be 25 percent in PS.

Yes you get a raise in this TA. Im not arguing the money portion. Im more about the QOL givebacks, that do in fact have monetary impact.

I also don't want you to think that a no vote means its going to the NMB. You will get a counteroffer probably within 30 to 60 days in the form of either giving us some of our QOL provisions back, or sweetening the pot with higher pay. I hope we negotiate the former with the latter together, but that depends on how strong of a no vote we get. If they only have to change lets say 5 percent of the no votes to yes votes it will be a little tougher to bargain.

You know the interesting thing is if you adjust our Jan 2008 rates for inflation and compare to todays rate for say the A320A, it's a 41% raise in comparison but after inflation it's 28%. Divide it over 7 years and you get 6% pre inflation and 4% post inflation. That puts inflation more around 2%.

So wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that 8/6/3/3 become 6/4/1/1 and then takeout PS and 6/-2/1/1 by 2018?

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Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1911892)

What happens on September 1st? My crystal ball is a little cloudy.

Heck if I know. But nobody knows. But I know one thing, you need to buy an eight ball. Better than crystal balls.

Buy two balls. Better than one.

/deep advice from FTB... who doesn't mind going parking.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1911891)

A good post from FB:

What an all around great guy. I ended up next to him at the bar up in St Paul when I was going through fifi school. His son was going through fifi school at the same time!

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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1911792)

Bender,
3.B.4 will take the sting out of sitting with the NMB. The scare tactic of saying SWA got nothing and we will too is not valid either. Please ask about that as well...

Went to the ALPA table in the lounge today, pulled out some cash and ordered a hotdog and a soda. The rep smugly replied, "sorry?" I said that I wanted a hotdog and a soda. Puzzled non-response. I had to ask, "Isnt this the concession stand?" One replied, "we're here for serious discussion." Too bad you weren't there for that at the table! They should atleast have hotdogs and sodas, not to mention fireballs to help put the heat on the front side and cool the back side. Fruitless, but a fun way to vent.

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1911900)

I think all we have at this point is a seven ball.

Park away.