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gzsg 06-20-2015 06:40 AM

DALPA Admin Secret Polling
 
Anyone been called for their vote?

Heard the admin is using a firm other than Wilson polling to survey the pilots.

We all need to ask our leaders if this is happening. In writing.

Pilotfo64 06-20-2015 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1910605)
Anyone been called for their vote?

Heard the admin is using a firm other than Wilson polling to survey the pilots.

We all need to ask our leaders if this is happening. In writing.

Were you contacted? Whats your source? Are u sure its dalpa and not a wall st firm ir delta?

BenderRodriguez 06-20-2015 06:59 AM

This is actually a good question. I still maintain that the survey itself is worthless as a tool because it is unscientific, and does not represent the true desires of the group. (to wit: Gunship Guy's refusal to even fill one out. Sorry If I got the wrong guy here, but somebody said he wouldn't even bother to fill it out.) People with passionate views one way or the other filled out the survey which skews the true group mentality. It should have been done with Gallup or Wilson or somebody that knows how to do a true scientific poll. That is why I couldn't care less if the survey resluts are ever released. They are meaningless.

TheManager 06-20-2015 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1910620)
This is actually a good question. I still maintain that the survey itself is worthless as a tool because it is unscientific, and does not represent the true desires of the group. (to wit: Gunship Guy's refusal to even fill one out. Sorry If I got the wrong guy here, but somebody said he wouldn't even bother to fill it out.) People with passionate views one way or the other filled out the survey which skews the true group mentality. It should have been done with Gallup or Wilson or somebody that knows how to do a true scientific poll. That is why I couldn't care less if the survey resluts are ever released. They are meaningless.



And that rambling regurgitation has what to do with this thread??

OBTW, that might be your opinion.

My opinion is that if your wants don't meet the collective wants, then you claim survey results are meaningless. For instance, thousands of pits are contacted and the median day one raise desired is 15%.

You are different though and only want 5% for what ever reason. You automatically jump to the survey is meaningless.

Back on topic.

Anyone been contacted????

BenderRodriguez 06-20-2015 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1910658)
And that rambling regurgitation has what to do with this thread??

OBTW, that might be your opinion.

My opinion is that if your wants don't meet the collective wants, then you claim survey results are meaningless. For instance, thousands of pits are contacted and the median day one raise desired is 15%.

You are different though and only want 5% for what ever reason. You automatically jump to the survey is meaningless.

Back on topic.

Anyone been contacted????

I reread your post. You are talking about a poll, and I am talking about the survey. A poll is scientific, and the survey is meaningless.

And I still didn't whizz in your Wheaties.

Ferd149 06-20-2015 08:41 AM

As I said in another thread, I'm not surprised they would poll. Political campaigns poll constantly to see how their message is being received and how they need to focus/refocus their message.

If the MEC is polling, it would tell me they may not feel what they are currently doing is working and they need to regroup.

Ferd149 06-20-2015 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1910620)
This is actually a good question. I still maintain that the survey itself is worthless as a tool because it is unscientific, and does not represent the true desires of the group. (to wit: Gunship Guy's refusal to even fill one out. Sorry If I got the wrong guy here, but somebody said he wouldn't even bother to fill it out.) People with passionate views one way or the other filled out the survey which skews the true group mentality. It should have been done with Gallup or Wilson or somebody that knows how to do a true scientific poll. That is why I couldn't care less if the survey resluts are ever released. They are meaningless.

You are correct. I didn't fill out a survey because I was planning to retire this fall and didn't want to add bogus data to a contract I wasn't going to live under. Opps........

TheManager 06-20-2015 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by ferd149 (Post 1910710)
as i said in another thread, i'm not surprised they would poll. Political campaigns poll constantly to see how their message is being received and how they need to focus/refocus their message.

If the mec is polling, it would tell me they may not feel what they are currently doing is working and they need to regroup.



Exactly. That would be tantamount to looking for the white flag.

TheManager 06-20-2015 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1910675)
I reread your post. You are talking about a poll, and I am talking about the survey. A poll is scientific, and the survey is meaningless.

And I still didn't whizz in your Wheaties.

Wow. Just wow. Ever take a statistics course, ever?

BenderRodriguez 06-20-2015 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1910724)
Wow. Just wow. Ever take a statistics course, ever?

Nope. But I am astute enough to know that an open survey is only going to be answered by those that choose to do so. I think that has been proven in this very forum. Do you think this place is really representative of the average line pilot? Seriously? A scientific poll done under controlled circumstance is far more valuable. I know you don't agree.


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