Donatelli Loosing It @ATL (Donayelli Video)
07-08-2015 | 08:54 PM
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07-09-2015 | 03:55 AM
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Got there 30 minutes late. Slide show with very smooth presentations lasted until 4:15. 20 minute break then Q&A. Q&A started slow, picked up, remained respectful. A few angry folks complained mostly about sick leave, but no one was out of line. The DALPA panel handled it extremely well, but you should expect that now that they've rehearsed it a dozen times.
During the 20 minute break, I spoke with the NC Chair and another NC member about the TA language on OE trip pulls. I complained that the OE #24 OE numbers are underinflated by a factor of 4. They said those numbers used annual averages and not June specific. Search for my post in OE trip pull about the numbers. 11 regular lines lost in NYC 7ER in June using actual June sim data. 20 lines lost in August in NYC 7ER (31 New Hires NYC 7er in Aug).
During the Q&A, Donatelli said the $27B PTIX over life of TA as stated on social media is incorrect; it's only $21B. Well, you're telling me your own financial guys are predicting $21B and you can't find anymore money on the table? Right. I also mentioned the $5B stock buy back. Why not buy $4.5B back and give the pilots an additional 6% raise. Wall Street won't know the difference between $5B and $4.5B.
Lost of guys got up to complain about sick leave. Recurrent theme: you failed us; complete giveback; automatic no vote; shameful.
Lack of voluntary verification was mentioned as reason for automatic no by a couple of folks.
Scope made it for some folks.
I got the second to last question. I advocated for turning down TA and reengaging with company while focusing on RA's interest. I don't think RA will let this go to NMB. I think either side could "win" at NMB, but just getting to NMB is a "loss" for RA. He's put too much at stake on having no labor problems that I think he loses even if he wins at NMB. RA has two interests: his legacy and his money. His legacy takes a hit if he can't deliver what Wall Street expects. He doesn't want to retire with his pilot group at odds with the company either in NMB, PEB or worse. He also owns 3.5 million shares of DAL either in options or stock. Each $1 shift in share value is a $3.5 million shift in RA's net worth (I may have that wrong based on the options, regardless, it's a ton of money). I think we have leverage. I also said we shouldn't pursue an interest-based negotiation with Delta since they will not share critical information. IBN requires trust and sharing information between the parties. The idea is that two sides working together can create a better solution than each side working alone. However, the company is not working with us. The company is using an "Insist" strategy (take it or leave it), which requires power and authority. We should use the same; the stronger side gets more of what they want. We have the best leverage we've ever had in our history. Now is the "next time." NC Chair disagreed with me, but we talked and it's all good. Nothing personal.
Not sure how many folks were there. 100-200, but I can't tell how many were DALPA P2P versus line pilots. Some spouses present. I detected two yes voters, but one of them was an obvious plant. Yes, I have no proof, but the guy's long rambling speech was just pathetic. Just a bunch of eye rolling in the audience during his speech. From groans and non-verbal feedback, 98% were no-voters. However, I would never try to extrapolate that across the 4200 ATL pilots not present. Maybe yes voters don't feel the need to show up.
During the 20 minute break, I spoke with the NC Chair and another NC member about the TA language on OE trip pulls. I complained that the OE #24 OE numbers are underinflated by a factor of 4. They said those numbers used annual averages and not June specific. Search for my post in OE trip pull about the numbers. 11 regular lines lost in NYC 7ER in June using actual June sim data. 20 lines lost in August in NYC 7ER (31 New Hires NYC 7er in Aug).
During the Q&A, Donatelli said the $27B PTIX over life of TA as stated on social media is incorrect; it's only $21B. Well, you're telling me your own financial guys are predicting $21B and you can't find anymore money on the table? Right. I also mentioned the $5B stock buy back. Why not buy $4.5B back and give the pilots an additional 6% raise. Wall Street won't know the difference between $5B and $4.5B.
Lost of guys got up to complain about sick leave. Recurrent theme: you failed us; complete giveback; automatic no vote; shameful.
Lack of voluntary verification was mentioned as reason for automatic no by a couple of folks.
Scope made it for some folks.
I got the second to last question. I advocated for turning down TA and reengaging with company while focusing on RA's interest. I don't think RA will let this go to NMB. I think either side could "win" at NMB, but just getting to NMB is a "loss" for RA. He's put too much at stake on having no labor problems that I think he loses even if he wins at NMB. RA has two interests: his legacy and his money. His legacy takes a hit if he can't deliver what Wall Street expects. He doesn't want to retire with his pilot group at odds with the company either in NMB, PEB or worse. He also owns 3.5 million shares of DAL either in options or stock. Each $1 shift in share value is a $3.5 million shift in RA's net worth (I may have that wrong based on the options, regardless, it's a ton of money). I think we have leverage. I also said we shouldn't pursue an interest-based negotiation with Delta since they will not share critical information. IBN requires trust and sharing information between the parties. The idea is that two sides working together can create a better solution than each side working alone. However, the company is not working with us. The company is using an "Insist" strategy (take it or leave it), which requires power and authority. We should use the same; the stronger side gets more of what they want. We have the best leverage we've ever had in our history. Now is the "next time." NC Chair disagreed with me, but we talked and it's all good. Nothing personal.
Not sure how many folks were there. 100-200, but I can't tell how many were DALPA P2P versus line pilots. Some spouses present. I detected two yes voters, but one of them was an obvious plant. Yes, I have no proof, but the guy's long rambling speech was just pathetic. Just a bunch of eye rolling in the audience during his speech. From groans and non-verbal feedback, 98% were no-voters. However, I would never try to extrapolate that across the 4200 ATL pilots not present. Maybe yes voters don't feel the need to show up.
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