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Carl Spackler 07-10-2015 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by fp88ren (Post 1926409)
I voted yes after reading the TA in its entirety several times, before the MEC sales job and before any RA fear mongering. The sick leave, JV provisions, and LCA trip concessions were not sufficiently onerous IMO to vote no, and I was content with the pay picture - - even with the hit to profit sharing. Obviously I am in a distinct minority.

Anyway, the ship has sailed and I will not look back. I 100% hope that my opinions are proven wrong in the course of future events. I agree wholeheartedly that the system and the process worked very well with this TA. It is beyond apparent that our MEC and negotiators did not properly represent the will of the majority.
Very true.

Carl

Stinsat7 07-10-2015 01:55 PM
Great victory for the pilots. Let's not use it as an opportunity to turn on our own.

Ferd149 07-10-2015 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by DelDah Capt (Post 1926404)
This is not what we need now

This victory has the potential to spin out of control and end up with factions versus factions.

"I want more pay versus I want my OE trips back"

"Alpa versus DPA"

'No' voters on a witch hunt to humiliate Yes voters.

The Goal here is a world class contract while the environment is ripe to do it. Not to start tearing eachother apart.
Well said.....

War story time. When NWA was on strike, I'm sure there were guys who didn't agree with going out. But, they did the walk of the living dead on the picket line with a smile on their faces (on break anyway).

We're all in this together......NO WITCH HUNTS, from either side.

OK , maybe at the MEC:D

Ferd

ghilis101 07-10-2015 02:17 PM
Agreed, im not interested at this point in who voted what since we have to look forward. We have A LOT of work to do. The Delta Pilots are in a surplus budget situation. Lets vote in some new reps (Im going to throw my name in the hat) and lets pass a resolution to spend our budget surplus on the best labor firm in America and the best non-ALPA negotiators they have to offer to sit alongside with us. Giddy up!

Laserowner 07-10-2015 03:25 PM
Hey, Spence. This is Jerry Dessert. Well-said, my old friend. I was a strong "no" voter, but I would never characterize a yes voter as a "goober". I trust my fellow pilots and respect opinions, whether or not I agree with them. Good luck to us all. I'm all for cleaning house at DALPA, but brow-beating our fellow line pilots is counter-productive.

Besides, the no vote is only mile marker 1 on a long road to victory!

forgot to bid 07-10-2015 03:54 PM
I'm not in favor of the dpa, I think if one wants to toss out the union you just got handed an enormous gift with a landslide no vote AND you have a list of several reps that stuck their necks out and said vote no.

Replace Donatelli with one of those for starters and you may just achieve the overhaul you seek.

CGfalconHerc 07-10-2015 04:29 PM
Congratulations to the majority. I respect your view and even though I voted yes, we're all in this together. I'm glad that over 97% voted their conscience..now we have to respect their view and move forward.

CG Out

iceman49 07-10-2015 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 1926449)
Well said.....

War story time. When NWA was on strike, I'm sure there were guys who didn't agree with going out. But, they did the walk of the living dead on the picket line with a smile on their faces (on break anyway).

We're all in this together......NO WITCH HUNTS, from either side.

OK , maybe at the MEC:D

Ferd
The strike vote was approx 95% for the action with 98% voting.

3 green 07-10-2015 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by fp88ren (Post 1926409)
I voted yes after reading the TA in its entirety several times, before the MEC sales job and before any RA fear mongering. The sick leave, JV provisions, and LCA trip concessions were not sufficiently onerous IMO to vote no, and I was content with the pay picture - - even with the hit to profit sharing. Obviously I am in a distinct minority.

Anyway, the ship has sailed and I will not look back. I 100% hope that my opinions are proven wrong in the course of future events. I agree wholeheartedly that the system and the process worked very well with this TA. It is beyond apparent that our MEC and negotiators did not properly represent the will of the majority.
If you voted yes for this TA then that tells me you would vote for pretty much anything put in front of you..

sailingfun 07-10-2015 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by DelDah Capt (Post 1926404)
This is not what we need now

This victory has the potential to spin out of control and end up with factions versus factions.

"I want more pay versus I want my OE trips back"

"Alpa versus DPA"

'No' voters on a witch hunt to humiliate Yes voters.

The Goal here is a world class contract while the environment is ripe to do it. Not to start tearing eachother apart.
That is the goal for most but not all pilots especially some of the posters on here. There were other agendas. I voted no on the merits of the contract. I voted no in the hopes of a better contract. We need to come together and work for that contract but sadly one group will work to devide us at every opportunity. That is going to pull money out of Delta pilot pockets.


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