QOL vs Productivity
07-10-2015, 07:11 PM
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QOL vs Productivity
Seems there would be a more reasonable solution to our needs and the company's needs.
Instead of sick leave and LCA bidding, which are negative QOL trades, how about 19 hour 3 days trips and 25 hour 4 day trips....just as example.
The reason were in this whole debacle is that the contract has been tapped out of all the easy productive/pay trade offs from the last decade of concessions. There literally is nothing more to give up that does not severely degrade our quality of life. During previous contracts it was easier to make small concessions than re-invent the wheel.
Time to build a different path like more productive days with less days on the property. company is happy with less credit were happy being at home.
Find ways to improve our quality of life while improving productivity will be the solution. Productivity always leads to less movement. Make the pay raise enough and spread the changes over time with retirements would ease in and minimize the productivity changes.
Perhaps it's an opportune time to change and re-invent the model to fit the times. Mostly we tried to improve on the current model of duty rigs, etc. as it kept our pilot numbers up during bad times. Six hour days would have thinned our numbers to much in the face of bankruptcy and mergers.
I think retirements along with the ability to get raises can aid with any major changes.
I think bad ideas, such as SL and LCA bidding were created simply because the contract is tapped out of productivity ideas. These bad ideas really don't generate much in productivity thus leading to marginal pay gains and negative quality of life changes. Being everybody was in a hurry to get a deal, things such as major changes that could benefit everybody go overlooked to grab a quick and simple solution instead.
What we really need is something like a 6 hour per day pay and actually fly instead of sit in a hotel. I truly think if a new system can be timed right over 5-8 years, to prevent/ease stagnation, that we could become a very efficient group and improve pay and QOL all at the same time.
The retirements will be the opportunity to make those changes as we become lean and more efficient. Basically, like Southwest if it is true they fly more time with less days on the field.
Times are different and it's time to think different and carve new paths.
If I can work 12-13 (75-80 hours per month) days instead of 15-16 that would be a huge factor in my book. I would think that would benefit the company as well by way of less credit time.
If not this idea I'm sure there is more. I'm just saying we have two factors: a tapped out contract and a company that needs productivity. That's a stalemate that can last forever and or produce minimal results for both sides. It's time to think out of the box and create something new to work with for the next decade. Using the retirements as a timed tool can aid in "big" changes that benefit everybody. Let's take the time to do it right rather than hurry and get it wrong like we almost did.
I might be in the minority but I'm tired of working 15-16 days when could get it done in 12-13.
Instead of sick leave and LCA bidding, which are negative QOL trades, how about 19 hour 3 days trips and 25 hour 4 day trips....just as example.
The reason were in this whole debacle is that the contract has been tapped out of all the easy productive/pay trade offs from the last decade of concessions. There literally is nothing more to give up that does not severely degrade our quality of life. During previous contracts it was easier to make small concessions than re-invent the wheel.
Time to build a different path like more productive days with less days on the property. company is happy with less credit were happy being at home.
Find ways to improve our quality of life while improving productivity will be the solution. Productivity always leads to less movement. Make the pay raise enough and spread the changes over time with retirements would ease in and minimize the productivity changes.
Perhaps it's an opportune time to change and re-invent the model to fit the times. Mostly we tried to improve on the current model of duty rigs, etc. as it kept our pilot numbers up during bad times. Six hour days would have thinned our numbers to much in the face of bankruptcy and mergers.
I think retirements along with the ability to get raises can aid with any major changes.
I think bad ideas, such as SL and LCA bidding were created simply because the contract is tapped out of productivity ideas. These bad ideas really don't generate much in productivity thus leading to marginal pay gains and negative quality of life changes. Being everybody was in a hurry to get a deal, things such as major changes that could benefit everybody go overlooked to grab a quick and simple solution instead.
What we really need is something like a 6 hour per day pay and actually fly instead of sit in a hotel. I truly think if a new system can be timed right over 5-8 years, to prevent/ease stagnation, that we could become a very efficient group and improve pay and QOL all at the same time.
The retirements will be the opportunity to make those changes as we become lean and more efficient. Basically, like Southwest if it is true they fly more time with less days on the field.
Times are different and it's time to think different and carve new paths.
If I can work 12-13 (75-80 hours per month) days instead of 15-16 that would be a huge factor in my book. I would think that would benefit the company as well by way of less credit time.
If not this idea I'm sure there is more. I'm just saying we have two factors: a tapped out contract and a company that needs productivity. That's a stalemate that can last forever and or produce minimal results for both sides. It's time to think out of the box and create something new to work with for the next decade. Using the retirements as a timed tool can aid in "big" changes that benefit everybody. Let's take the time to do it right rather than hurry and get it wrong like we almost did.
I might be in the minority but I'm tired of working 15-16 days when could get it done in 12-13.
07-10-2015, 07:35 PM
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I like where your head's at. Obviously the high credit and block trips in a short span has huge limitations by fleet, base, and routes but exploring common sense options would be an excellent way to improve efficiency. Network sort of creates a problem here by using random fleet mixes into smaller low frequency airports, thereby creating their own 30 hour layover problem. I dont know why theyre having so much trouble with this who knows.
While were at it, heres a huge improvement that will result in major increases in efficiency due to reduced training:
Align md88/738/a320 pay
Align 752/739/a321 pay
Align 717/e190 pay.
That solves your training musical chairs problem, saves money, makes the pilots happy, makes the company happy, and locks in 180 seat pay rates before the 757 gets retired. Youre welcome
While were at it, heres a huge improvement that will result in major increases in efficiency due to reduced training:
Align md88/738/a320 pay
Align 752/739/a321 pay
Align 717/e190 pay.
That solves your training musical chairs problem, saves money, makes the pilots happy, makes the company happy, and locks in 180 seat pay rates before the 757 gets retired. Youre welcome
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