So, now what?
07-16-2015, 08:53 PM
#191
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 7ERB
Posts: 2,039
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Middle-school enough for you, who supposedly is a highly trained professional? You wouldn't know it reading this stuff.
Believe it or not perhaps in the future you may actually find yourself flying with one of these guys or someone very much like them--someone who perhaps didn't vote like you. They won't have horns, e-vill conspiracies, an obsession with maximizing FPL, or anything else. They were guys who stepped up into an ALPA position (believe it or not) because they thought that they could make a positive difference. I hope you remember your rant at that time and rethink a thing or two in life. Or you can stew in social media toxicity and redefine that as the pinnacle of human existence. I choose not to.
You can also vote NO without dragging the discussion into the mud. How about this?
- massive sick leave overreach
- rewritten JV language that redefines (and therefore excuses) an existing company problem without the company even having to try to fix it
- pulling lots of trips from FOs, thereby making nearly all more junior in category
- swapping PS for a raise that isn't nearly sufficient to warrant the PS trade
Facts, not emotion or hysterics. That's all you need.
Recall MD and the yes voters on the MEC? Fine. There is a process for that.
Believe it or not perhaps in the future you may actually find yourself flying with one of these guys or someone very much like them--someone who perhaps didn't vote like you. They won't have horns, e-vill conspiracies, an obsession with maximizing FPL, or anything else. They were guys who stepped up into an ALPA position (believe it or not) because they thought that they could make a positive difference. I hope you remember your rant at that time and rethink a thing or two in life. Or you can stew in social media toxicity and redefine that as the pinnacle of human existence. I choose not to.
You can also vote NO without dragging the discussion into the mud. How about this?
- massive sick leave overreach
- rewritten JV language that redefines (and therefore excuses) an existing company problem without the company even having to try to fix it
- pulling lots of trips from FOs, thereby making nearly all more junior in category
- swapping PS for a raise that isn't nearly sufficient to warrant the PS trade
Facts, not emotion or hysterics. That's all you need.
Recall MD and the yes voters on the MEC? Fine. There is a process for that.
Those two "Doomsday preparer nuts" need to shut up or else they will make ALPA look even worst. I cant believe these two entitled elitists think like that.
I do not have faith in MD or ALPA to deliver anything good or worthy. Time for a change.
I am ok with DPA, bring them on.
TEN
07-16-2015, 08:56 PM
#192
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: CA
Posts: 357
RECALLS AND THE DPA DIFFERENCE (from and email sent today)
With all of the talk circulating around the recall of those responsible for creating, selling and accelerating this last TA, now is a good time to see how the DPA way of doing things is so valuable to you. While ALPA dodges recalls through procedure loopholes and considers funding full-time Flight Pay Loss Recall Teams to combat the process and keep self-interested people in power, DPA welcomes recalls.
ALPA's Constitution was written to protect ALPA and control its members. DPA's Constitution was written to protect the Pilots and control the union. The DPA Open Recall System is unique in the industry and puts YOU in charge of the union. Here is how it works:
1. Go to the DPA RECALL page on our website (after we win the vote) and click on the tab.
2. Look in the drop-down list for the elected official you have heartburn with.
3. Click on their name.
4. View three numbers by their name (total pilots responsible to, 25% of total, and current total)
5. Click ADD MY NAME and watch the current total go up by one.
6. When the current total meets the 25% total, an automatic Recall vote is triggered.
7. 50% plus one of the total responsible pilots vote to recall the leader. The leader is OUT.
This recall list is a DYNAMIC list where you can also click REMOVE MY NAME. Every morning, every elected DPA official will grab their coffee and probably take a quick look at their personal recall list. They will probably want to contact you and discuss why your name is on their list. Perhaps that open dialogue will cause them to respond differently to their members.
Contrast our system with the current ALPA dysfunction and you can see that the DPA choice is easy. Stop investing in a failed structure. Pour all of your efforts into DPA.
With all of the talk circulating around the recall of those responsible for creating, selling and accelerating this last TA, now is a good time to see how the DPA way of doing things is so valuable to you. While ALPA dodges recalls through procedure loopholes and considers funding full-time Flight Pay Loss Recall Teams to combat the process and keep self-interested people in power, DPA welcomes recalls.
ALPA's Constitution was written to protect ALPA and control its members. DPA's Constitution was written to protect the Pilots and control the union. The DPA Open Recall System is unique in the industry and puts YOU in charge of the union. Here is how it works:
1. Go to the DPA RECALL page on our website (after we win the vote) and click on the tab.
2. Look in the drop-down list for the elected official you have heartburn with.
3. Click on their name.
4. View three numbers by their name (total pilots responsible to, 25% of total, and current total)
5. Click ADD MY NAME and watch the current total go up by one.
6. When the current total meets the 25% total, an automatic Recall vote is triggered.
7. 50% plus one of the total responsible pilots vote to recall the leader. The leader is OUT.
This recall list is a DYNAMIC list where you can also click REMOVE MY NAME. Every morning, every elected DPA official will grab their coffee and probably take a quick look at their personal recall list. They will probably want to contact you and discuss why your name is on their list. Perhaps that open dialogue will cause them to respond differently to their members.
Contrast our system with the current ALPA dysfunction and you can see that the DPA choice is easy. Stop investing in a failed structure. Pour all of your efforts into DPA.
07-17-2015, 12:54 AM
#193
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Left seat of a little plane
Posts: 2,399
Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Go read RM and his wife's posts on Facebook<eye-opening>. Really disgusting, arrogant, selfish, childish and venom spewing banter. Their Kiss @ss followers are hilarious though.
Those two "Doomsday preparer nuts" need to shut up or else they will make ALPA look even worst. I cant believe these two entitled elitists think like that.
I do not have faith in MD or ALPA to deliver anything good or worthy. Time for a change.
I am ok with DPA, bring them on.
TEN
Those two "Doomsday preparer nuts" need to shut up or else they will make ALPA look even worst. I cant believe these two entitled elitists think like that.
I do not have faith in MD or ALPA to deliver anything good or worthy. Time for a change.
I am ok with DPA, bring them on.
TEN
