There was an online article that referenced cuts in Asia, as that is where AF/KLM is losing the most money.

So with the relaxed scope proposal in NA2015, AF/KLM could have pulled the planes from the Asia routes and used them to fly a larger share of the Atlantic market. The concessionary BH conversion and lower percentage of flying would have crushed the Delta pilot group. We dodged a bullet on the proposed section 1.

More likely those are the airframes AF is parking.

That is exactly right.

Carl

That is the case now because they'd get further out of balance with our current JV requirements if they tried to add those heavies to the US market instead of parking them. Had we voted to change back to block hours, AF/KLM could have their big iron on those US routes because they are profitable, while we shrank to small gauge (lower paying) aircraft.

As Gunfighter said, we dodged a bullet that the Donatelli regime shot at us.

Carl

Another reason why esk's would've hurt us. Not trying to play the conspiracy theorist, but these changes at Air France were not decided overnight. With Delta telling us there is no more $$ for our contract then subsequently investing into GOL, China Eastern, almost SkyMark, one has say hmmmnnnnn...

Serious question...At this point, why would anyone not be a conspiracy theorist?

My name isn't Polyanna.
I was born on a day. But, that day didn't begin with yester.

If it isn't clear that the union, to this point, has worked for the company, one has not been paying attention.

It is a very fair question, why we have a union, when it is clear that we are paying dues for the honor of being crowd controlled.

So, feel free to conspiracy theorize.

It's been painfully obvious to most of us that one of the driving factors for an early signing were the deals that management, and the union for that matter, had in place outside of the Delta pilot group. For them to tell us there is nothing more on the table, when every other employee group at delta is making more now than after bankruptcy, the investment in foreign carriers, and the changes they wanted to the JV language, it's needless to say the gloves are off and my backpack has been placed into permanent storage. Isn't this similar to Pelosi saying "we need to sign the bill to see what's in it"? I'm glad we called their bluff...

So AF is lying when they say they are parking those airframes?

What changes at AF? Parking 10% of their widebody fleet in addition to parking all their 747's?