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scambo1 10-08-2015 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1987770)
So AF is lying when they say they are parking those airframes?

Sailing is AF pulling down any of it's flying to the US?

Hank Kingsley 10-08-2015 11:18 AM

The TA is dead, why keep discussing sick leave and JV? Big question, is there more money left on the table, that's the only thing that matters. Take Em just did a run down of the money spent post TA vote down.

Sailing, care to address, is there money left on the table. The TA is dead along with those tentatively agreed to sections.

First words out of MD's mouth, no more money left on the table. Dumb.

sailingfun 10-08-2015 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 1988029)
The TA is dead, why keep discussing sick leave and JV? Big question, is there more money left on the table, that's the only thing that matters. Take Em just did a run down of the money spent post TA vote down.

Sailing, care to address, is there money left on the table. The TA is dead along with those tentatively agreed to sections.

First words out of MD's mouth, no more money left on the table. Dumb.

Money left on the table is up to RA. He feels he offered a TA that put Delta's overall pilot costs well above the competition. The company can of course afford more. They can afford a lot more.
Wall Street and the BOD however would cruicify RA if he jumped his costs that far above the competition. The question becomes how do you force RA and the company to pay a large premium over other airlines for pilots. We have been told on the forums the leverage we had but so far none of it actually seems to exist.
The RLA and anti labor judges handcuff us. Anyone with two touching brain cells can read and understand the positions the NMB is taking. They are about as far from labor friendly as you can get. No one on here has shown me a method to overcome that and put more money in my pocket then the path we have taken working with the company.

notEnuf 10-08-2015 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1988252)
Money left on the table is up to RA. He feels he offered a TA that put Delta's overall pilot costs well above the competition. The company can of course afford more. They can afford a lot more.
Wall Street and the BOD however would cruicify RA if he jumped his costs that far above the competition. The question becomes how do you force RA and the company to pay a large premium over other airlines for pilots. We have been told on the forums the leverage we had but so far none of it actually seems to exist.
The RLA and anti labor judges handcuff us. Anyone with two touching brain cells can read and understand the positions the NMB is taking. They are about as far from labor friendly as you can get. No one on here has shown me a method to overcome that and put more money in my pocket then the path we have taken working with the company.

The performance of the airline is due to the pilots leaning forward and making it happen every day. When morale drops so will the stellar performance. This won't be an organized job action just the natural tendency of the disenfranchised. Show up, minimal effort, collect the check, go home, repeat... J.D. Power couldn't be further away than it is now. The next 11 months will need to go flawlessly even be in the running.

"Hello, welcome to Mc Donald's may I help you?" can be said as a rote mono tone barely intelligible utterance without eye contact while texting on a phone or with their full attention, a smile and a willingness to listen to get the order right the first time, not having to ask 3 times. See the difference? Either way the job gets done but the customer service makes the difference.

ronnie75 10-08-2015 04:57 PM

The increase in pilot compensation was "unlocked" with concessions. That's the problem.

FL370esq 10-08-2015 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1988252)
The RLA and anti labor judges handcuff us. Anyone with two touching brain cells can read and understand the positions the NMB is taking. They are about as far from labor friendly as you can get.

Wow....that's really weird because my union (that one in Herndon....you know, ALPA) told me to support Obama because he was "labor friendly" and would be on our side. How is it possible that our "labor friendly" President, among his numerous Artcle II powers, has appointed such a labor-unfriendly NMB after almost 7 years in office?

Molon Labe 10-08-2015 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1987770)
So AF is lying when they say they are parking those airframes?

Probably....It gives good food for defeatists in other parts of their alliance.

Gunfighter 10-08-2015 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1987770)
So AF is lying when they say they are parking those airframes?

Not at all. They are being parked.

Because we voted no to POS15, we will continue to fly our share of Atlantic EASKs. Under a BH plan, AF could have flown more 380 and 747 to JFK, while we continued flying a 757 from PIT and PHL to CDG.

SCOPE matters for scenarios exactly like this. Can it be any more clear? Do you finally get it? How many more ways does it have to be explained before 35% of the pilot group finally realizes that SCOPE matters. It is S E C T I O N ONE for a reason.

Omar 111 10-08-2015 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 1988333)
Wow....that's really weird because my union (that one in Herndon....you know, ALPA) told me to support Obama because he was "labor friendly" and would be on our side. How is it possible that our "labor friendly" President, among his numerous Artcle II powers, has appointed such a labor-unfriendly NMB after almost 7 years in office?

Perhaps you should do a little research on that statement. ALPA never endorsed Obama.

Omar

notEnuf 10-08-2015 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Omar 111 (Post 1988416)
Perhaps you should do a little research on that statement. ALPA never endorsed Obama.

Omar

The ALF-CIO did. Who was our ALF-CIO delegate again?


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