RA on Dueling PS Plans and E-190's
10-14-2015 | 06:40 AM
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RA on Dueling PS Plans and E-190's
Just listening to the webcast now. Jamie Baker asked about pilot negotiations, whether there would be a problem having different PS schemes for us and the other employees, and whether the E-190's are still up for grab.
To paraphrase,
1) They don't comment on negotiations. They "respect the relationship".
2) They are "fine" running two different PS plans. Other employees responded very well to 14.5% pay increases, and will still have most lucrative PS plan in industry.
3) No idea whether the E190's are still available. The E190 agreements were terminated, and all deposits returned to Delta. If you want to know about the aircraft, ask Boeing.
To paraphrase,
1) They don't comment on negotiations. They "respect the relationship".
2) They are "fine" running two different PS plans. Other employees responded very well to 14.5% pay increases, and will still have most lucrative PS plan in industry.
3) No idea whether the E190's are still available. The E190 agreements were terminated, and all deposits returned to Delta. If you want to know about the aircraft, ask Boeing.
10-14-2015 | 07:06 AM
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3) No idea whether the E190's are still available. The E190 agreements were terminated, and all deposits returned to Delta. If you want to know about the aircraft, ask Boeing.[/QUOTE]
Who is willing to fly the 190 at the last offered pay rate??
3) No idea whether the E190's are still available. The E190 agreements were terminated, and all deposits returned to Delta. If you want to know about the aircraft, ask Boeing.[/QUOTE]
Who is willing to fly the 190 at the last offered pay rate??
10-14-2015 | 07:16 AM
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Considering it was to pay about what the 717 pays now, I guess you can take a look at the 717 in category lists and have a pretty good idea. Pretty junior in New York, circa 2008 hires, I guess.
You could do this as an academic exercise, of course, since we don't have to worry about it.
You could do this as an academic exercise, of course, since we don't have to worry about it.
10-14-2015 | 07:55 AM
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Am I missing something? (I am not necessarily stating that sick leave abuse is rampant and a huge problem, only highlighting your own apparent doublespeak; perhaps I read too much into your statement).
p.s. Of course it could also be argued that we are the only carrier where pilots don't fly sick because we have no need to try to hoard unused sick time.
10-14-2015 | 07:58 AM
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I dunno. Do you think DAL could find captains for the 190 at the current contractual rate of $139/hr?
(Believe it or not, I don't think the company wants those rates to be that low...they just want them to be less than the 717).
(Believe it or not, I don't think the company wants those rates to be that low...they just want them to be less than the 717).
10-14-2015 | 08:01 AM
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The problem with our sick leave is that delta continues to insist on a use it or lose it system. They have created the so called abuse. None of our peer airlines have this system. Go figure that our usage is higher...
10-14-2015 | 08:27 AM
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If you try to use it you are a sick abuser. They say.
It's like getting to go to a churrascaria in Brazil for $10, being told it's the greatest meal you will ever have with the best food you'll ever eat in a buffet and as you go to get some...
SIT DOWN FAT ASS!
10-14-2015 | 08:34 AM
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And UAL , 2-3 sick calls (esp long haul) negates every hour you build that year. Thrown in a surgery or life event and your struggling to get to LTD. Love your guy's system.
10-14-2015 | 08:34 AM
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If "sick leave in line with our competitors is the goal" then that would imply that current sick leave use is in fact NOT in line with our competitors. Therefore abuse cannot be a "red herring" and is in fact a statistical outlier compared to other carriers.
Am I missing something? (I am not necessarily stating that sick leave abuse is rampant and a huge problem, only highlighting your own apparent doublespeak; perhaps I read too much into your statement).
p.s. Of course it could also be argued that we are the only carrier where pilots don't fly sick because we have no need to try to hoard unused sick time.
Am I missing something? (I am not necessarily stating that sick leave abuse is rampant and a huge problem, only highlighting your own apparent doublespeak; perhaps I read too much into your statement).
p.s. Of course it could also be argued that we are the only carrier where pilots don't fly sick because we have no need to try to hoard unused sick time.
Don't forget Americans "Sick if needed Policy" for reserve Pilots which further invalidates any comparison between our sick use numbers.
They can call in sick on reserve and if they were not going to be called out for a trip - zero sick leave used, nada, zilch, nothing. So how can we accurately compare our reserve Pilot sick use to them.
Ive got an idea - give us "Sick if needed" and then we can compare our numbers.
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