Why do you INSIST upon using ALL CAPS in every other sentence to make your POINT?

It's ANNOYING.

I believe you are correct. Joint petitioning in March.

So, the role of the negotiating committee is to avoid all concessions and argue for pay raises.

They can use 3B4 (since the company already agreed to it) as the baseline and add the non contract pay raise to that. File the civil suit first (forget the toothless grievance).

They also need to make the argument that profit sharing should be left out of the calculus, balanced against the annuitized value of Americans frozen retirement, or whatever keeps it off the table.

Sick leave and work rules will be status quo. There's zero compelling argument to pattern those down.

There should be a viable argument for an annuity in the individual pilots name (to avoid any loss) due to profitability and the shaky ground the pbgc is on. 2.5% accrual per year based on pilot earnings that year 100% funded starting in 2016. Averts any danger of loss.

Daily pay rate for everything (vac, trng, etc.) and accrual matches fedex since our profits were 2x theirs.

Anything else.

Btw, this is not my dream list. This seems readily achievable to me through mediation. My dream list is restoration plus...achievable by a job action. But, we already agreed to mediation.

...Which means there won't be any "job action" for five years minimum. That is why talk of a strike, different union, "restoration plus" and all is so hilarious. The process is stacked against us, and RA knows it. All the orange "swag" in the world won't change that any more than it changes the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.

Agreed. So, the job becomes petitioning the Strategic PC with factual arguments to carry forward.

As I said before, the last stab of the Moakolyteists.

Doesn't this kind of make phone polling and trolling for concessions moot?

Probably. I think we will eventually get a good TA without some of the too-objectionable stuff the rejected one had. I just think that talk of a strike or DPA representation that will bring a miraculous agreement that dwarfs all others just is not realistic.

Some of the too-objectionable stuff?

How about none of the too-objectionable stuff?

With profits at current levels and half the industry (not including some regionals who have better work rules) having better work rules, I can't see patterning down.

There's undoubtedly some emotion floating around.

However, if we cannot take back DALPA, can you make a truly coherent argument that doesn't make DPA at least an equal choice? It becomes kind of, aw what the heck, it's worth a try since what we have isn't working.

The strike talk is because some folks forgot about the march mediation agreement.

For those speculating on the benevolent nature of management keep in mind we just went to the mat with them over violating the pwa scope language.

for which we got a participation trophy. And agreed to not question their behavior for the foreseeable future.

Managements job is to paint outside the corners of our pwa at EVERY opportunity.

Of course they never expected to pay the Ps. Just like they never intended to pay the pension.

As to being placed at a disadvantage in this process by the CBA that costs us $50 million a year......I believe a representation vote that installs a new CBA triggers a timeline to open the pwa for renegotiation.

Alpa has sown the seeds of their own richly deserved demise.