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#11
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It kinda reminds me of the deck of card that we use to hunt down terrorists. At the end of the day, we are all Delta Pilots. Play nice
#12
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Agreed. Lets stick to thought and ideas and leave the names and pictures out.
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#13
I don't have much patience for for the politics or the personalities. For a little perspective though, the people that negotiated TA12 had me making almost 40% more than my buds at UAL in the same seat and same longevity at the time of signing. They brought us a rushed and seriously flawed TA15 and paid the price but DALPA has basically set the bar with virtually no help to date. Let's hope the new guys can do as well or better in a reasonable time frame.
#14
I don't have much patience for for the politics or the personalities. For a little perspective though, the people that negotiated TA12 had me making almost 40% more than my buds at UAL in the same seat and same longevity at the time of signing. They brought us a rushed and seriously flawed TA15 and paid the price but DALPA has basically set the bar with virtually no help to date. Let's hope the new guys can do as well or better in a reasonable time frame.
#15
I agree. TA15 should never have made it out of the negotiating room. I was referring to C2012 which I still think was a good contract for the conditions and relative to the rest of the industry at the time.
#16
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So, back in TA2012 we could be competitive by paying (at least some of our pilots) 40% more than one of our biggest competitors but now we can't afford to be paid more than a percent or two above. It's all so confusing.
#17
#18
Straight QOL, homie
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Management griping about "higher labor costs" than their competitors conveniently neglects a critical variable: pattern bargaining.
Malone needs to tell RA not to worry about higher pilot costs. They will be evened out shortly.
Malone needs to tell RA not to worry about higher pilot costs. They will be evened out shortly.
#19
I think the senior execs likely do understand this principle but like anyone else they go for the low hanging fruit first. It's a lot easier for them to cut labor costs (i.e. let 600 people go just before the holiday season when you're making how many billions per year?!) than it is to pass increased costs on to your customer.
In Delta's case however, they wouldn't even have to pass the costs on to the customers and we would still have operating margins greater than those of our biggest competitors.
IF the company was investing it's profits in GROWTH instead of "returning value" to shareholders then I think a case could be made for keeping labor costs at a bankruptcy % of revenue level on the premise that the laborers would eventually benefit from the increased size of the future company.
#20
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I don't have much patience for for the politics or the personalities. For a little perspective though, the people that negotiated TA12 had me making almost 40% more than my buds at UAL in the same seat and same longevity at the time of signing. They brought us a rushed and seriously flawed TA15 and paid the price but DALPA has basically set the bar with virtually no help to date. Let's hope the new guys can do as well or better in a reasonable time frame.
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