You're an idiot

So you were the valedictorian at the Citadel?:D

Damn! Good for you guys! I had a 3.0 gpa, 8,000hrs and a Captain for Spirit and Delta doesn't want anything to do with me!, lol

DAL is still seeing amazing applications. Former LCAs, former CP, DAL interns, test pilots and test work, multiple advanced degrees, safety work, etc. I've seen 4 test pilots in as many months. And they are pretty sharp with the flying stuff too.

I will add that I just flew with a no college, six month FO who got in with a guaranteed interview from Compass/Endeavor. Can't remember which exactly but it used to be Mesaba. He did a fine job.

You gotta remember the airline did just fine for 50 years with high school grads. The real problems didn't appear until DAL got sophisticated money managers. Where is Oppenlander when we need him.

GPA 0.0

Double secret probation!

10,000 hrs inverted flight!

I flew F/O on the 767 and MD11 for guys hired at Delta at age 21, and guys hired for NE at age 18. They were excellent pilots and some of the nicest, most generous Captains I've ever flown with.

I think being hired here has a lot more to do with attitude than stick time in the left seat. Ask yourself the question, "Can I get along with everyone, right or wrong, 10 hours a day, 5 days in a row?".

I remember one particular True/False question on that MMPI test during the interview process, it read, "I get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task."

After we were done with the test, a group of us were in the hallway talking, one guy (Navy F14) mentioned that question, "That was the stupidest question ever! WHO DOESN'T get irritated when interrupted while doing an important task??".

I looked at him said, "You didn't put True to that, did you?"

He said, "Of COURSE I did!"

I said, "You realize that is a Flight Engineer's job description, right? You just told them it would be irritating to you."

Sometimes you have to be just a little smarter than the test.

He was not in my new hire class...

Well there's your problem, we only fly right side up at Delta.:rolleyes:

FE stuff. Not that important. Most of the time.

No he is not, pretty good guy on here. You need to understand from a mil pov people dont walk into a plane and be mil equivalent of a capt with zero time in it

Yes they do. Across fleets. With some regularity.

So getting into an argument with the Company Psychologist wasn't the best idea?

I saw this happen in the late 1980's and early 1990's. We had three T-38 FAIPs show up in a KC-135 squadron as Aircraft Commanders. Zero time in the airplane (other than 60-70 hours from CCTS). Great pilots. The CRM was a little rough at first since they were not use to a crew airplane and tried to do too much on their own but overall it was no big deal.

I seem to remember NWA had a minimum amount of hours in the right seat of an NWA aircraft (type did not matter). 1000 or 1500 hours...don't quite remember...before you could upgrade to CA. Can anyone recall if that was the case?

I think Delta has that too... 500 hours unless they have done away with that requirement.... to lazy to look it up.

I once flew with an Express Captain who was still bitter because he was a PAN AM professional engineer that came over to Delta and when the union negotiated them spots on the pilot list if they had the credentials, went out on a LOA to get his tickets then came to Delta and had to fly 500 hrs as copilot before bidding captain. I was too new to fully care, but somehow he thought he had been wronged in the whole transaction.

I went straight from Aircraft commander on KC135 to Aircraft Commander on C130. I know a guy who flew A10s and came straight to C130 Aircraft Commander.

This came to mind as I recall a guy who had been in the training command since he came on the property and was a rotor head prior to that (not that there's anything wrong with that😳). He was the head of NATCO for a while. He decides to go back to the line for a few years on the 757 before he retires and he doesn't have the min right seat time to be a CA.

I'll put my confidence in the 14 month Bad Dog CA way before a guy like that.
Far more depth of experience there than a career desk driver.

There was also a T/F one: "I am sometimes possessed by evil spirits." The shrink already knows that it's true, or else you wouldn't be a pilot, but the question is designed to weed out applicants who are too stupid to lie about it. :p

I remember that guy. Super fast, anti social, walker. One day I just gave up trying to keep up with him made a left turn and got a beer on my own. I don't think he even noticed. :)

Ok fine, yes there is ACIQ, but it was a tad slower than than airlines. FTU longer and a little more than 35 hours OE when sim complete.

Regardless, "idiot" was a bit over the top.

"Bid what you want, not what you think you can hold."

That is all.


And, 14 PAGES!

Sounds as though he came close to becoming a legend.

Are you seriously asking this question?

I upgraded to 737 Captain after having been a 727 FE for 5 years, and not touching a single aircraft control in that entire time. Didn't crash once.

Edited to say "it seems United is hiring a lot of straight civilians, takes a lot as a civilian at DAL right now"

When the shrink asked me what my biggest weakness was, I said it was my honesty.

He said, "Honesty?? Really? I don't see that as a weakness!"

I said, "Well, I -honestly- don't give a phuck what YOU think!" :eek: :D

Someone needs to make a ticker that says how many new Captains since TA 2015 was rejected.

Last time I checked, the Delta new hire demographics roughly:

50% Military-only experience
25% Civilian-only experience
25% Military and Civilian combo experience

TEN

However, of the 50% that have civilian backgrounds, an exceptionally large number are flows and preferential interviews. Maybe 20pct total civilians are non-flow/non pref interview. I was in a class of 32 and was the only non-flow, non pref interview civilian. Half were military.

Was that the son or father?

The DL hiring stats posted on apc was -

50% mil
34% civ
16% mil/civ

Dad, before he offed himself.

His/her questioning of;
"is that safe?"
"Would you put your family on that plane?"

Were over the top.

Pretty much a troll at that point.

If this smart person is in the 121 world, I shake my head. I also pray he never puts him/herself (or family) on a regional airline partner. My god, those guys are scary. Some upgrade in 6 months, and have never even flown in winter conditions, or seen de-icing! OH MY!

I too was taken aback by lobaeux's comments, but he is definitely not a troll. I think his logic was somewhat clouded by his experience working for an airline with one type of aircraft. He probably didn't realize that this is quite common. It's been happening at American on the 190 for years.

Additionally, in the military this has been the case forever on the fighter side. A Lt. with 200 hours of student time and 20 hours of Introduction to Fighter Fundementals (IFF) is the Aircraft Commander (PIC) of a Fighter he's never flown, right off the bat. There isn't even such a thing as SIC in a fighter.

Yeah, hardly. I was lucky they let me anywhere near the graduation stage! I was too busy putting truth to the statement that we "owned" the College of Charleston's sorority houses to study.