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I would have never expect a thread like this in the "major" forms...
For a second I thought I was in the regionals.... Jealousy is one of the worst emotions. |
Fwiw...back in 2006-7 we had 2-3 year guys hold Capt in Hong Kong. Wide-body, international and living in a foreign domicile. They seemed to do just fine, but like Delta the approach here was always to hire capts. Some of those folks came from regionals, and others from the military. They seemed to do fine.
At our company, some of the guys who struggle the most are those who camp for decades in the right seat and quit thinking like captains. Being more worried about getting frequent flyer miles than landings has burned a few too. When I was hired at JetBlue in 2002 upgrade to left seat was 8 months. I never went, but an F-15 contemporary with no 121 and low GA experience did just fine. I know a couple guys in the DAL training program. They were awesome people and pilots in a former life, and I am sure they will do their best to train folks. I also know they wouldn't pass anyone who shouldn't be there... I expect on our next bid we will have some good movement. I do not begrudge anyone who took less time to get to the left seat than I did, because it means seniority is getting better for everyone. Jealous someone is making good coin? More money is just a training cycle away... |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 2091156)
Greatest line of all about marriage.
"Sex, is the Novocaine that makes marriage possible." Why are divorces so expensive? Because they are WORTH IT! :D (full disclosure, after 28 years I'm still married to #1, but only because we can't afford a divorce and neither one of us wants the kids) |
Originally Posted by Lobaeux
(Post 2090935)
No, I'm saying that an MD-88 is not the same kind of plane as the one that someone has possibly flown before, i.e. A regional jet or 737 for example. In the even of an emergency, do I really want someone who has pretty much been on reserve for most of their new career at Delta, someone who has had possibly one PC prior to upgrade and then move into the left seat of an entirely new aircraft? And, you're going to rely on training and IOE to "season" someone enough to become a CA?
Let's imagine this CA, who has been on property for a year and a half with a month or two experience in the MD-88 has an incident, heaven forbid. The class action lawsuit that would result from this would be unimaginable. Then, just imagine Congress' response. The risk management alone is making my head hurt. Seriously Packrat, I'm really starting to question if you're actually a pilot or just a groupie. Get over yourself..Most newhires have been flying as Captain before coming to Delta. They are fully capable of being an MD-88 capt. |
What's the hire date of the most junior NYC Airbus CA?
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How long until you can hold weekends off as an FO in ATL on a widebody?
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
(Post 2091008)
I didn't. And maybe they were FOs in the MD-88, maybe they flew MD-88s at a previous airline, it's not the point.
I'm raising the point that there is no ORM/risk management setup like we had in the AF. I was an ADO in charge of signing orders and vetting crews. If Delta has the same system, then all is great. Sounds like they have a CP who looks at crew makeup and decides maybe this Captain shouldn't fly with this FO because of lack of experience or lack of currency. I'm not sure that's the case. Look, I know guys come to the major airlines with PIC time, plenty of hours, plenty of experience, it's not a question of how many flight hours. It comes down to regression, it comes down to system knowledge, it comes down to experience in the airframe. You guys are saying there's no issue at all with someone with no time in type being the Captain, fine. I wouldn't want my family on that plane. |
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 2091272)
Let me ask this then. I just upgraded to captain on the MD88. I never flew it as an FO. I'm flying with new hire FOs all the time. Total time is over 10K hours, 6K in 757/767 FO, 1K 737 FO, 3K or so E120/CRJ mostly as captain. Am I unsafe?
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 2091281)
Do you really want to go there?:D
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 2091272)
Let me ask this then. I just upgraded to captain on the MD88. I never flew it as an FO. I'm flying with new hire FOs all the time. Total time is over 10K hours, 6K in 757/767 FO, 1K 737 FO, 3K or so E120/CRJ mostly as captain. Am I unsafe?
Also, Lobeux wasn't the "OP", still not sure why this is a thread on its own....... DELTA PILOT CENTRAL :), haha Either way great news for the Delta guys/girls |
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