Bartels
06-06-2016 | 11:09 PM
#21
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Bingo.
Harwood wrote that to go after Bartels for one simple reason: He believes (and has convinced others) that Bartels ran a "misinformation" campaign and without him, the TA wouldn't have failed. There is nothing more to it than that.
Harwood is the token snake in the grass sore loser. His product got shot down, and he wants a scapegoat. Freaking pathetic. He can't accept that he under delivered and what was going to happen happened. He cannot accept that he failed...after all, he is the smartest man in the room.
Bartels is one vote. One. TA 2015 failed in an unprecedented manner for one reason: it was a poor product.
Harwood wrote that to go after Bartels for one simple reason: He believes (and has convinced others) that Bartels ran a "misinformation" campaign and without him, the TA wouldn't have failed. There is nothing more to it than that.
Harwood is the token snake in the grass sore loser. His product got shot down, and he wants a scapegoat. Freaking pathetic. He can't accept that he under delivered and what was going to happen happened. He cannot accept that he failed...after all, he is the smartest man in the room.
Bartels is one vote. One. TA 2015 failed in an unprecedented manner for one reason: it was a poor product.
06-07-2016 | 02:51 AM
#22
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He voted to allow MEMRAT because the majority promised an honest pro/con.
They lied. Same old sell job like the failed C2015.
Captain Bartels was reelected by a wide margin after that.
Bill is one of the most, if not the most, intelligent and well read leaders I have observed in over 30 years.
Hanson, O'Malley and the rest of the Apple Dumpling Gang are just upset that the Delta pilots are more informed than at in point in their history.
For a decade a small group did as they pleased. The only reason they are not still in power is social media. Their lies and distortions died a quick death when they were shown the light of day.
It is amazing really. Not pretty, not perfect, but what our forefathers envisioned without a doubt.
And who is still in the leadership now that the lights are on?
Captain Bartels.
It is interesting to me that Alpha lacks the courage to attack Captain Brielmann. Tom makes Bill seems like a *****cat.
And my hat is off to him.
They lied. Same old sell job like the failed C2015.
Captain Bartels was reelected by a wide margin after that.
Bill is one of the most, if not the most, intelligent and well read leaders I have observed in over 30 years.
Hanson, O'Malley and the rest of the Apple Dumpling Gang are just upset that the Delta pilots are more informed than at in point in their history.
For a decade a small group did as they pleased. The only reason they are not still in power is social media. Their lies and distortions died a quick death when they were shown the light of day.
It is amazing really. Not pretty, not perfect, but what our forefathers envisioned without a doubt.
And who is still in the leadership now that the lights are on?
Captain Bartels.
It is interesting to me that Alpha lacks the courage to attack Captain Brielmann. Tom makes Bill seems like a *****cat.
And my hat is off to him.
However, I believe Tom is pragmatic at the end of the day.
06-07-2016 | 03:18 AM
#23
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Until the next merger.
06-07-2016 | 04:03 AM
#24
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It will take courage to vote yes on any TA deal.
The pathway to stay on the ALPA gravy train is to vote no. It's pretty easy; no deal is perfect, and one can point to something that they believe is under their acceptance threshold as a reason for a no vote.
Always say yes, always say no; neither one is a good practice.
Always saying no tends to keep you in office.
Not looking for a web war here, but I think Rich makes some interesting points.
The pathway to stay on the ALPA gravy train is to vote no. It's pretty easy; no deal is perfect, and one can point to something that they believe is under their acceptance threshold as a reason for a no vote.
Always say yes, always say no; neither one is a good practice.
Always saying no tends to keep you in office.
Not looking for a web war here, but I think Rich makes some interesting points.
06-07-2016 | 04:45 AM
#25
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From: 737 ATL
Everybody knew this was coming.
The Moakists are going to attempt a comeback.
Being out of power is killing them.
What's fascinating about this opening shot from Harwood is their decision to adopt the tactic used so effectively by the opposition to Moakism and try to focus on one guy and his views.
Obviously the "Moakist" tag really bothered them. Especially Harwood.
However, it only worked because it was mostly accurate.
I don't think basing their political comeback on a contrived narrative that has them saving the Delta pilots from Bartels and the "Bartelies" is going to work for the Moakists. Its way too much of a stretch.
Bartels is an LEC rep. He's never been Master Chairman let alone President of ALPA.
Most Delta South guys have never heard of him.
Trying to portray him as some kind of all-powerful leader able to kill any agreement he doesn't like or single-handedly influence negotiations and seniority lists just isn't credible.
Harwood swings and misses with this one.
The Moakists are going to attempt a comeback.
Being out of power is killing them.
What's fascinating about this opening shot from Harwood is their decision to adopt the tactic used so effectively by the opposition to Moakism and try to focus on one guy and his views.
Obviously the "Moakist" tag really bothered them. Especially Harwood.
However, it only worked because it was mostly accurate.
I don't think basing their political comeback on a contrived narrative that has them saving the Delta pilots from Bartels and the "Bartelies" is going to work for the Moakists. Its way too much of a stretch.
Bartels is an LEC rep. He's never been Master Chairman let alone President of ALPA.
Most Delta South guys have never heard of him.
Trying to portray him as some kind of all-powerful leader able to kill any agreement he doesn't like or single-handedly influence negotiations and seniority lists just isn't credible.
Harwood swings and misses with this one.
06-07-2016 | 05:22 AM
#26
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I don't know. There are a number of guys who are not all that happy with his previous work and with his new shenanigans, he's become toxic.
The fact that him, curly, Parker and the rest are rooting for the current admistration to fail is not lost on the pilot group.
The fact that him, curly, Parker and the rest are rooting for the current admistration to fail is not lost on the pilot group.
06-07-2016 | 05:26 AM
#27
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From: Light Chop
Everybody knew this was coming.
The Moakists are going to attempt a comeback.
Being out of power is killing them.
What's fascinating about this opening shot from Harwood is their decision to adopt the tactic used so effectively by the opposition to Moakism and try to focus on one guy and his views.
Obviously the "Moakist" tag really bothered them. Especially Harwood.
However, it only worked because it was mostly accurate.
I don't think basing their political comeback on a contrived narrative that has them saving the Delta pilots from Bartels and the "Bartelies" is going to work for the Moakists. Its way too much of a stretch.
Bartels is an LEC rep. He's never been Master Chairman let alone President of ALPA.
Most Delta South guys have never heard of him.
Trying to portray him as some kind of all-powerful leader able to kill any agreement he doesn't like or single-handedly influence negotiations and seniority lists just isn't credible.
Harwood swings and misses with this one.
The Moakists are going to attempt a comeback.
Being out of power is killing them.
What's fascinating about this opening shot from Harwood is their decision to adopt the tactic used so effectively by the opposition to Moakism and try to focus on one guy and his views.
Obviously the "Moakist" tag really bothered them. Especially Harwood.
However, it only worked because it was mostly accurate.
I don't think basing their political comeback on a contrived narrative that has them saving the Delta pilots from Bartels and the "Bartelies" is going to work for the Moakists. Its way too much of a stretch.
Bartels is an LEC rep. He's never been Master Chairman let alone President of ALPA.
Most Delta South guys have never heard of him.
Trying to portray him as some kind of all-powerful leader able to kill any agreement he doesn't like or single-handedly influence negotiations and seniority lists just isn't credible.
Harwood swings and misses with this one.
Moakism fit.
06-07-2016 | 05:39 AM
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