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JamesBond 06-26-2016 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2151013)
Please, Oh wise one, explain to us how Old Fly Guy revised history. Also, share with us how we should cave on scope on both ends because of retirements and how we wont feel it.

Talking about Crunch. I don't know why OFG got quoted. I didn't intend that.

WhatNow 06-26-2016 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2151351)
We are "refreshing" our fleet not growing our fleet. This is the CFOs term. Removing capacity to enhance PRASM. This all means what? Growth? Not by operation, only by acquisition and JVs.

Can you tell us how much capacity has been removed over the last few years and how much they plan to remove in the future?

notEnuf 06-26-2016 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2151390)
Can you tell us how much capacity has been removed over the last few years and how much they plan to remove in the future?

It, as most things at Delta, is relative to GDP and a moving target. You don't defer orders if you intend to grow.

I think the second half of 2016 is going to see a ~1% decline in international. If you listened to the latest presentation, it was addressed as a mitigation to FOREX exposure.

http://www.thecountrycaller.com/4541...city-guidance/

Dat jet 06-26-2016 06:27 PM

[QUOTE=WhatNow;2151252]

Originally Posted by Dat jet (Post 2151243)

I am not missing the point. No idea where your 88 number comes from. We have 58 ER's and 8 747's. The first ER retirement is planned for the fall of 2020. The last one in 2031! They plan a widebody replacement order for those aircraft.


16 747s....yes some are gone...some remain
72 767-300/300ER
16 + 72 = 88


That's how....

I'll welcome an order...but I'll believe it when I see it.
And some of the 50 AIRBUS widebody orders are hailed as 747 replacement (A350)...and also replacements for 767s....and those are not my words

WhatNow 06-27-2016 03:11 AM

[QUOTE=Dat jet;2151418]

Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2151252)


16 747s....yes some are gone...some remain
72 767-300/300ER
16 + 72 = 88


That's how....

I'll welcome an order...but I'll believe it when I see it.
And some of the 50 AIRBUS widebody orders are hailed as 747 replacement (A350)...and also replacements for 767s....and those are not my words

They are have ordered replacements for the domestic 767's. They may be A321's but they are ordered. You seem to have invented a mythical retirement schedule for the 7ER's. Counting already retired airframes is another strange metric. Might as well throw the L1011's in there! If you are going to do that however you should add the A330's delivered the last two years into future orders.

WhatNow 06-27-2016 03:26 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2151412)
It, as most things at Delta, is relative to GDP and a moving target. You don't defer orders if you intend to grow.

I think the second half of 2016 is going to see a ~1% decline in international. If you listened to the latest presentation, it was addressed as a mitigation to FOREX exposure.

Delta Air Lines, Inc. (DAL) Cuts Capacity Guidance

You must have linked the wrong article. That one does not mention international and states domestic growth will be reduced from 4% the first 3 quarters to 2.5% in the last quarter.

Dat jet 06-27-2016 06:18 PM

[QUOTE=WhatNow;2151500]

Originally Posted by Dat jet (Post 2151418)

They are have ordered replacements for the domestic 767's. They may be A321's but they are ordered. You seem to have invented a mythical retirement schedule for the 7ER's. Counting already retired airframes is another strange metric. Might as well throw the L1011's in there! If you are going to do that however you should add the A330's delivered the last two years into future orders.

I never mentioned a retirement date...but the ERs won't fly forever. And you've helped make a point....A321s....they are not widebody aircraft.

Thanks...have a blessed day...you are the smartest person in the room. Pat yourself on the back

notEnuf 06-28-2016 03:26 AM

And I thought nobody read the stuff I post. Go figure.


Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2151501)
You must have linked the wrong article. That one does not mention international and states domestic growth will be reduced from 4% the first 3 quarters to 2.5% in the last quarter.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielreed/2016/05/16/deltas-capacity-cutback-tells-us-a-lot-about-the-state-of-the-economy-here-and-aboard/#1a933617557f

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-16/delta-cuts-growth-to-boost-unit-revenue-delays-four-widebodies

WhatNow 06-28-2016 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2152024)


I still don't see anything about cutting capacity. All the articles state we have reduced future growth plans however still plan to increase capacity.

notEnuf 06-28-2016 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by WhatNow (Post 2152059)
I still don't see anything about cutting capacity. All the articles state we have reduced future growth plans however still plan to increase capacity.

The reduction is to the plan. The plan is made approximately 18 months out so we are pulling back the schedule, but you knew that. The entire industry is doing it, that's a good thing known as capacity discipline.

Did you notice the increase capacity at Aeromexico? Our soon to be subsidiary has increased capacity, how do you think that will affect our production balance negotiations? Delta controls it all so... whip meet saw.

Falcon7 06-28-2016 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2152085)
The reduction is to the plan. The plan is made approximately 18 months out so we are pulling back the schedule, but you knew that.

Ok, so we aren't shrinking, we're just not growing as much. I was wondering how some could suggest that we are shrinking when we keep increasing the number of pilots on our seniority list.


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2152085)
The entire industry is doing it, that's a good thing known as capacity discipline.

So it's an industry thing, not a contract scope thing, got it. Thanks.


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2152085)
Did you notice the increase capacity at Aeromexico? Our soon to be subsidiary has increased capacity, how do you think that will affect our production balance negotiations? Delta controls it all so... whip meet saw.

It would be nice to have Aeromexico JV language. Certainly, as you suggest, time is not on our side. What is the MEC doing about it?

Purple Drank 06-28-2016 06:57 AM

Falcon7, may I ask in general terms what your role in the last TA was? Thank you.

WhatNow 06-28-2016 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2152085)
The reduction is to the plan. The plan is made approximately 18 months out so we are pulling back the schedule, but you knew that. The entire industry is doing it, that's a good thing known as capacity discipline.

Did you notice the increase capacity at Aeromexico? Our soon to be subsidiary has increased capacity, how do you think that will affect our production balance negotiations? Delta controls it all so... whip meet saw.

I just went off your original statement where you said we were reducing capacity.

JamesBond 06-28-2016 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2152085)
The reduction is to the plan. The plan is made approximately 18 months out so we are pulling back the schedule, but you knew that. The entire industry is doing it, that's a good thing known as capacity discipline.

Did you notice the increase capacity at Aeromexico? Our soon to be subsidiary has increased capacity, how do you think that will affect our production balance negotiations? Delta controls it all so... whip meet saw.

So help me out here. Is AM included in any form of production balance currently? I don't know which is why I am asking. I think you are right about the whip saw part of your post, but until we have an agreement in place that is seemingly what can happen.

Falcon7 06-28-2016 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 2152114)
Falcon7, may I ask in general terms what your role in the last TA was? Thank you.

Yes you may, in general terms an active Delta pilot and ALPA member in good standing.

NERD 06-28-2016 01:39 PM

Ok, how about specific terms. MEC, NC or SME?




Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2152272)
Yes you may, in general terms an active Delta pilot and ALPA member in good standing.


Hank Kingsley 06-28-2016 01:47 PM

Is Dickson promising top pay, which means pay rates, or top compensation, which includes PS? That would be a break from his past statements. I believe he's got a JD.

capncrunch 06-28-2016 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 2152330)
Ok, how about specific terms. MEC, NC or SME?

Don't forget P2P.

scambo1 06-28-2016 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 2152330)
Ok, how about specific terms. MEC, NC or SME?

I think you give him too much credit. Just a yes voting surrender monkey. Payrates, payrates, $$$$, look a squirrel.

Viking busdvr 06-28-2016 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2152389)
I think you give him too much credit. Just a yes voting surrender monkey. Payrates, payrates, $$$$, look a squirrel.

That's a nice portrait he uses as an avatar.... I assume it's Benedict Arnold perhaps??😉

Falcon7 06-28-2016 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2152389)
I think you give him too much credit. Just a yes voting surrender monkey. Payrates, payrates, $$$$, look a squirrel.

Flamebait and insulting a member is worthy of an infraction. I'm sure 80knots will be by shortly to issue you one.:rolleyes:

But really scambo, you're a college educated professional airline pilot, do you think childish name calling is some kind of a debate strategy?

scambo1 06-28-2016 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2152413)
Flamebait and insulting a member is worthy of an infraction. I'm sure 80knots will be by shortly to issue you one.:rolleyes:

But really scambo, you're a college educated professional airline pilot, do you think childish name calling is some kind of a debate strategy?

How dare you call me a college graduate. Insulting I say! Im not debating anyone. Im observing and commenting. Do you actually have any input which moves the Delta pilots to the top of the heap? Ie above fedex? Because if you dont, Im right.

Infract away. You wanna hit my knuckles with a ruler too? Your avatar should have both of your hands above your head.

Btw, this board is for entertainment purposes. If you think right now you are making a serious point, with lasting consequences and swaying the masses with your erudite opinions...youre not.

Falcon7 06-28-2016 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2152419)
How dare you call me a college graduate. Insulting I say! Im not debating anyone. Im observing and commenting. Do you actually have any input which moves the Delta pilots to the top of the heap? Ie above fedex? Because if you dont, Im right.

Infract away. You wanna hit my knuckles with a ruler too? Your avatar should have both of your hands above your head.

Oh, that's what you were doing, moving the Delta pilots to the top of the heap by using childish insults of your fellow pilots. Go team orange!!!

scambo1 06-28-2016 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2152422)
Oh, that's what you were doing, moving the Delta pilots to the top of the heap by using childish insults of your fellow pilots. Go team orange!!!

Go team surrender monkey.

Falcon7 06-28-2016 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2152426)
Go team surrender monkey.

Nothing to offer other than insults.

GivemeVSP 06-28-2016 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2152413)
Flamebait and insulting a member is worthy of an infraction. I'm sure 80knots will be by shortly to issue you one.:rolleyes:

But really scambo, you're a college educated professional airline pilot, do you think childish name calling is some kind of a debate strategy?

If it weren't so sad...sooo, no more deflecting the original question...

scambo1 06-28-2016 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2152427)
Nothing to offer other than insults.

I am a fellow pilot and an ALPA member in good standing.

Falcon7 06-28-2016 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2152430)
I am a fellow pilot and an ALPA member in good standing.

So am I. So do you think resorting to childish name calling of a fellow Delta pilot will help build unity and move the Delta pilots to the top of the heap?

Falcon7 06-28-2016 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 2152419)
If you think right now you are making a serious point, with lasting consequences and swaying the masses with your erudite opinions...youre not.

What's hilarious, is that you probably think you are. :rolleyes:

GivemeVSP 06-28-2016 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2152433)
What's hilarious, is that you probably think you are. :rolleyes:

and your a poo poo head

scambo1 06-28-2016 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 2152431)
So am I. So do you think resorting to childish name calling of a fellow Delta pilot will help build unity and move the Delta pilots to the top of the heap?

Do you think arguing for less will?

Purple Drank 06-28-2016 04:36 PM

I'll take scambo's observations over faclon7's collaborationist manifesto.

Falcon7 06-28-2016 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 2152437)
I'll take scambo's observations over faclon7's collaborationist manifesto.

Purple Drank, thanks for joining the party with your insults and flame bait.

vagabond 06-28-2016 04:49 PM

No more intelligence detected. Thread closed.


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