Captain Dickson's Promise
 

Today in his weekly update Captain Dickson makes a promise we will attain an industry leading contract in:

Pay

Work rules

Benefits

I couldn't be happier. This is long overdue. My hat is off to Steve.

The challenges going forward are unprecedented and overwhelming.

Together we will continue to lead the industry.

Industry leading pay means the highest hourly rates. Industry leader United. 19% ahead of us today on the A330/767-400.

No word games. No attempting to add profit sharing. Steve can talk about profit sharing when he restores our pensions and trips touching vacations.

Scope immediate penalties and not one more large jet to DCI

Medical $200 deductible and premiums cut in half

Retirement industry leader FedEx soon to be Delta!

Vacation industry leaders SWA 210 hours FedEx 216 hours Delta 113:45. Soon to be 217 hours.

No word games Captain Dickson. Social media travels at the speed of light and the Delta pilots can read. We know what industry leading is and what it is not.

Let's wrap this up and win together.

He keeps using those words...... I do not think those words mean what he thinks they mean......:D

Anybody want a peeenuttt??

Never underestimate the lawyerese you're about to read in the pro/cons.
IIRC, we turned down an "industry leading pay" contract about 11 months ago.

I'd be curious to know what "industry" we are leading, certainly isn't aviation.

See deltanet negotiations update. If not word for word same as company, then very close.

...Again. This sounds like something we heard 11 months ago and voted down 13 years ago. I hope I am wrong on this one.

GOL? Who else...

The CVG capt reps recent update letter read very similarly to capt Dicksons weekly update. They even used some of the same sentances.

Oh and that Capt rep will not be picketing. Hows that for union leadership.

I wonder how the teamsters would handle that.

Steve lost his credibility years ago. Not sure why anyone would even read his propaganda.

My point is the LEC rep appears to have run his council update thru the 4th floor prior to publishing it.

You make it sound like he refuses to picket. I just finished reading the update. Here's the context you chose to leave out.

"While in New York, your MEC and a number of committee members participated in a picketing event at Delta’s annual shareholders’ meeting.

The MEC’s Strategic Preparedness and Strike Committee has established June 24 as the date for system-wide informational picketing. Click on the graphic below to volunteer to picket or otherwise assist with picketing efforts.


The following is the schedule for CVG:
Brief: 8:00 a.m.
Picketing: 9:00 a.m.–12:00 p.m.
Meeting Location: Doubletree Airport
(2826 Terminal Dr.)


Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend this event, as it was scheduled right in the middle of my primary vacation, and I will be out west under a dark sky."

Sounds like he already had plans well before picketing was ever scheduled. I don't think the Teamsters would have a problem with that.

I agree - I would not expect anyone to cancel a long planned vacation to join in the picketing.

On the other hand you do not seem very consistent in your criticisms of DALPA. I do find it a bit telling that you go out of your way to defend some DALPA types, while being extremely critical of others. What do you use as your criteria for who we should support and who we should be critical of?

Scoop

Their moak levels?

What is right and what is wrong. In this case, we agree that a rep should not be criticized for simply going on a pre-planned vacation rather than picketing. That's far different than a rep who abuses FPL. I won't criticize the former. I'll certainly criticize the latter.

Still hoping for that ethics committee.

Were you critical of that when your pals were in power? I'll bet this is a new thing.

As far as Regional airlines go (which Delta is fast becoming) it would have been industry leading.

I had vacation and I signed up to picket. It's not an either or. I guess once was enough for him to be shamed into wearing orange. He put it on for picketing. His face looks pained in the pics. Word is he took off the lanyard immediately after picketing and was the only rep who never wore it at the MEC meeting.

Dark sky indeed.

I was more referring to your criticism of Chairman Malone.

Excessive FPL use is fair game.

Scoop

He IS the company.

GMAFB. Which part of Delta reminds of your days at Pinnacle?

wow. amazing.

There is a term called foolish pride. Your response sounds like foolish pride.

Oh really? You really think we are becoming a regional airline? It has nothing to do with pride but responding to overreaching hyperbole.

You really think we are a great destination? The greatest destination?

Unless you fly boxes, this career became a job. And as to your other point, many regional airlines have better contractual provisions than we do. BTW, southwest is a regional.

We are more of a regional than American or United. Youve made that arguement yourself.

I'd say vacation but mine was better back at my regional.

I had a United Captain out of O'hare on my jump seat last week. He showed me his contract and wide body AC orders. They will need to hire 4000 pilots in the next few years. 12yr Capt. pay on the C- Series
is $242.00..... Yes, it made me feel like I work for a domestic feeder airline.

South America, Europe Asia and Australia say hi.

Say hi, but the voice comes from all of our JV alliances!!😳

Theres that foolish pride again.

Yo Do! Delta mgt is choosing to outsource the lion's share of the large widebody flying...United isn't. With the codeshare and JV system in place it may be more profitable than flying it on "own metal" but for us pilots it sucks. Delta is reverting to being little more than "that southern local service airline" that my mother turned down a stewardess job with in the 1950's.

Happy as a clam to be here, wouldn't want to be anywhere else, I hope you sensed my sarcasm in my previous post!!! Cheers 🍻

Interesting, when did they get a C series pay rate? They don't show it in their contract. Their current 757 rate is 246 a hour. Strange they would slot it in above the A319/737-700 and just below the 757.

You need a break down it appears:

Currently United 12 yr CA rates...
757-300-(255/hr)
757-200-(246/hr)
737-800/900/A320(246/hr)
737-700/A319(236/hr)
CS300(236/hr)
CS100(185/hr)

On Jan 1 2017, 12 yr CA rates:
757-300-(262/hr)
757-200-(253/hr)
737-800/900/A320(253/hr)
737-700/A319(242/hr)
CS300(242/hr)
CS100(191/hr)

CS100 rate is also same as UALs E190 and E-195 rate.

Not great on those CS 100 rates, but by the end of the extension (2018)they will match the current DL contract 717 rates. That is why they are where they are now. As for the 190 and 195 rates, everyone's rates on those aircraft were bad, so the UAL took a step in the right direction there. That is the point of pattern bargaining, each member takes a step and no one has to ever hit a home run.

Gee, I can't find that C-series rate anywhere, and I'm missing the point of loading up on wide body aircraft while Europe takes a massive dump on the global economy.

As I see it, the trend was towards moving block hours (and jobs) from DCI to DAL. I think that's a good idea, even if it does mean more overnights in Fargo for me. I want ALL Delta flying done by Delta pilots.

The mainline block hour ratio needs to be tightened again, or we will risk being overextended during a downturn. They could start parking mad dogs, and still be in compliance because we were too lazy to crank up the MBH ratio.

Exactly what our management is hoping for...hold us back to taking a small step and prevent us from hitting the home run that is clearly deserved and achievable.

Too bad she didn't take the job, she might be half way up the seniority list by now..:eek:

Yeah, bummer on the C100 rate. Certainly does not help us. Our 717 rate from the failed TA would have been 238 an hour in 18 months.

We all want that. Unfortunately with the JV+equity virtual merger that is not and will not be the case.

Delta is and will continue to be fantastically profitable but we will be unable to capture that value via rate increases. Profit sharing is the next generation compensation model. Like it or not, this is the new reality.

I don't have a problem necessarily with Delta having JVs/codeshares because it does have its advantages, but IT DOES bother me we do it so much. While UAL and AA have three times to four times as many 777s as we do...and are taking deliveries of 777-300s right now (which we don't even have on order) and they both have 787s on property. They'll get more and more of those type of aircraft while we fly around 767-300/300ERs.....and where is the replacement for these 72 aircraft? Don't say it's the new A350/A330 NEO order...that's only 50 aircraft. Between the 767 fleet and the 747 fleet....that's 88 aircraft. 72 + 16 = 88. And don't forget we have a whopping 18 777s

If we would have given the company the widebody scope metrics they wanted in the failed TA, we would never even see a true 767 replacement. Don't give up scope fellas for a few extra bucks or some other nonsense. You could spend a lot of time at Delta in an A321/737-900ER/C-Series while looking UP at United and AA's 777-300s, 787s, and A350s. Sure, we could get a nice pay raise, but in essence a pilot at UAL or AA on average could make more than we do even though they have overall lower pay rate just because they have so much heavy metal...and we have so little to spread around for our folks to fly.