I'm on it like Michael Jackson at a sleepover!

 

IMO our contract defines the profit sharing pool. My opinion doesn't mean doodly squat.....

It's my understanding now that our profit sharing will be determined exactly the same way as in previous years (For the purpose of figuring pilot PS, the non contracts are assumed to have the same calculation we do.) After our PS figure is determined, the company then goes in and figures the noncontract PS based on their new calculation and the rest goes back in the corporations coffers.

Denny

 

Yep. We don't get more because the non-cons get less. DL keeps more. OFG

 

Well, legal language is exactly that, and I read the contract on the PS. With as little wording on the way the PS is put aside and allocated, I think that there is very little wiggle room on this. The non-cons get, specifically 10% up to 2.5b and 20% over previous year. I think Delta made this language deliberately to allow false inferences that they'll get 10% of the gray area from 2.5b to the previous year threshold. Of course, when the time comes and they are in an uproar, it'll be too late for them. Our PWA, however, specifically states that 20% over 2.5b of PTIX with no stipulation on other groups. That would mean that the 20% of PTIX goes to the only qualifying group. Why wouldn't DALPA lawyers get the scent of this and run with it? It is, at very least, a bargaining tool/weapon! Our 1.9% pays for that, right? Also, to encourage the DALPA and ALPA team, they should know that 1.9% of that gray area $$ will go to them. Bottom line, I'd rather pay good money for a divorce attorney than wait until I have to pay little money for the defense attorney when they find the body.

 

IF....our "share" increased on the backs of the "non-cons", I don't think I'd EVER ask for a cup of coffee again.....or ice, or......

Doesn't make rational sense either....no way momma Deltah would give more to US! We ain't shizzle..

Just sayin'

 

Don't drink hot fluids from styrofoam. Plus you don't know what the stir it with.

 

Agreed on both points; however, legal terms are indeed "LEGAL TERMS." I'm not trying to pedestal our group over the others, but I don't think they see it coming. Furthermore, Her Majesty Deltah may not have really understood the ramifications of the self-financing of the non-cons' pay raises. Worth looking at with some attorneys? BTW, I'm one of the FOs that buys drinks and dinner for the FAs on layovers...I understand the disparity. I would like, however, that some others take this "loophole" as a bargaining tool, or just cash it in and buy more drinks and dinner. Could be the egg or the goose...prove me wrong.

 

How long you been here? Management fully understands the ramifications of all the stuff they do. They have lawyers tripping over each other parsing everything before they put it out. There is no loophole. And if there were, the company's lawyers would successfully close it in the face of ALPA lawyers.

 

I agree. We need better lawyers.

 

SOFA, I don't know the answer to your question. My opinion doesn't matter, but I think you may be right. It is my guess that DALPA can't do anything about this question until 2016 PS is distributed in February 2017. As of right now, there is nothing to grieve. Once PS is distributed, we are harmed and can seek redress. We have to have real damages, not theoretical damages. You can't be proactive about it.

Given that most of DALPA's resources and attention is on current negotiations, I think this issue is on the back burner and the stove is turned off. Hopefully, we will have settled the contract by then and we can pursue this further after February.