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duece12345 07-18-2016 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Bluto (Post 2163345)
Pilots are professionals and shouldn't fly when they are sick. Period.

right.....dangle a dollar in font of us and all professionalism goes out the window. I HATE it and 100% agree with your statement, but that is the nature of the beast. I see it too often.

maddogmax 07-18-2016 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2163318)
I've always thought our unused sick leave should roll over to be available in the future, should you have something catastrophic happen. Twice I've had to go onto LTD because of long term illness. Both times were following years of minimal sick leave usage. Had our sick leave rolled over, I wouldn't have had to eat a 50% pay cut on LTD, and I'd still have a thousand hours in the bank.

NW had a bank, I never flew under that program but I've heard stories, perhaps the ones who have worked under that system can tell us if they like the Delta 270, use it or lose it, better?

I wish I had all my 30+ years of unused sick leave available for use now! You are all just one bad car wreck, or illness, or EKG blip away from a 50% pay cut!

There has been a lot of discussion on this sight about wether FNWA guys "lost" their accrued sick leave in the merger. That is a different topic. I had 1700+ hours of sick leave in the bank at the time. I always viewed it as an insurance policy for my later years. I can say that it was my experience that I never flew with anyone who came to work sick so as not to use their bank.
I wish I had had it when I had Achilles surgery in 2010 and was out for 6 mos. and had to rely on DPMA to come even close to my normal monthly pay.

Timbo 07-18-2016 07:04 AM

It really bothers me that the MEC dropped the "Restoration" theme that many of the new reps and the new Chairman ran for election under. They seem to have completely forgotten about all the concessions we already gave the company in 2004+2006, and they won't even talk about restoring the DB plan. Much of those concessions are still in effect today, the company is earning unheard of billions, returning 70% of free cash flow to the shareholders, the majority of whom are Management, yet the MEC has never put together the amount of Billions that the PILOTS have given to the company!

Without a list of ongoing concessions and the cost savings to the company for same, why on earth are they considering giving the company MORE concessions??

In this round of negotiations, we should only be talking about RESTORING what we already gave away, now that those concessions are no longer needed to Save Delta.

3 green 07-18-2016 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Bluto (Post 2163345)
Pilots are professionals and shouldn't fly when they are sick. Period.

You obviously do not fly narrowbody because you would know your statement is 100% false..Guys fly sick all the time. I see it a lot. It would only get worse if we got paid for unused sick time. I do see you wrote "SHOULDN'T", and not "DON'T" in your post.

capncrunch 07-18-2016 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 2163444)
You obviously do not fly narrowbody because you would know your statement is 100% false..Guys fly sick all the time. I see it a lot. It would only get worse if we got paid for unused sick time. I do see you wrote "SHOULDN'T", and not "DON'T" in your post.

Because of this, your suggestion is to keep our crappy sick leave system?

The company wanted a use it or lose it system and now they are trying to punish us for using it. They could fix the problem over night if they would let us bank sick. Instead they are going the aggressive route of punishment and restrictions. Not very smart.

Hawaii50 07-18-2016 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2163318)
I've always thought our unused sick leave should roll over to be available in the future, should you have something catastrophic happen. Twice I've had to go onto LTD because of long term illness. Both times were following years of minimal sick leave usage. Had our sick leave rolled over, I wouldn't have had to eat a 50% pay cut on LTD, and I'd still have a thousand hours in the bank.

NW had a bank, I never flew under that program but I've heard stories, perhaps the ones who have worked under that system can tell us if they like the Delta 270, use it or lose it, better?

I wish I had all my 30+ years of unused sick leave available for use now! You are all just one bad car wreck, or illness, or EKG blip away from a 50% pay cut!

I totally agree with your the beginning of your post. Flown with many who've had the same problem. We need a system that banks/pays unused sick so you can use it when you really get sick. Talk to the guys living on a fraction of their monthly pay after a long battle with a terrible disease. One of the top issues in my survey. We need it yesterday. Sick leave is not personal time.

Scooter432 07-18-2016 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 2163275)
It would be bad enough if this was the only concession. But I have heard from multiple, credible sources that is only one of many concessions. Including scope, and another LCA trip pull restriction. Line value relief too. IOW, working more.

Any one of those is an auto "no" for me, regardless of pay. More money AND more time off.

working anymore than we already do is an Automatic 'NO'

FL370esq 07-18-2016 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 2163460)
I totally agree with your the beginning of your post. Flown with many who've had the same problem. We need a system that banks/pays unused sick so you can use it when you really get sick. Talk to the guys living on a fraction of their monthly pay after a long battle with a terrible disease. One of the top issues in my survey. We need it yesterday. Sick leave is not personal time.

I refer back to my earlier post. Why not implement a system whereby we can get "xxx" amount of hours of non-verified sick time for the sniffles, $hit$ and strains (80-100 hours per year as an example) which resets on your hire date AND a short term disability plan that pays 100% of lost wages (ALV/Reserve Guarantee) for the period you are out?

Rather than having 240-300 hours of non-bankable sick time with stupid verification rules, you get, let's say 100 hours per year and, if you have the need for something more serious/ longer stretch, you invoke ST disability at 100% of your wages (rather than the current 50%). ST disability, by its nature, will require verification...as it should. (And, for the record, long-term disability also needs to be worked on).

Ready for incoming flaming....

Flamer 07-18-2016 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 2163347)
Who's they? The MEC (local reps) or the MC/Negotiating committee? There is a difference. What if the these two aren't on the same page...

Hypothetically of course....
What if the negotiating committee already agreed to lots of concessions the majority of the reps are not okay with, but were just discovering??? Where do we go from there??? Maybe give your reps a call.

IF.....IF it's a warmed over NA15 I don't care who Fd it up. That confirms that the system is broken.

Buh Bye ALPA.

satchip 07-18-2016 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 2163347)
Who's they? The MEC (local reps) or the MC/Negotiating committee? There is a difference. What if the these two aren't on the same page...

Hypothetically of course....
What if the negotiating committee already agreed to lots of concessions the majority of the reps are not okay with, but were just discovering??? Where do we go from there??? Maybe give your reps a call.

Varys' little birds tell him this is exactly what happened at the latest MEC meeting...


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