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Originally Posted by Bluto
(Post 2163345)
Pilots are professionals and shouldn't fly when they are sick. Period.
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Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 2163318)
I've always thought our unused sick leave should roll over to be available in the future, should you have something catastrophic happen. Twice I've had to go onto LTD because of long term illness. Both times were following years of minimal sick leave usage. Had our sick leave rolled over, I wouldn't have had to eat a 50% pay cut on LTD, and I'd still have a thousand hours in the bank.
NW had a bank, I never flew under that program but I've heard stories, perhaps the ones who have worked under that system can tell us if they like the Delta 270, use it or lose it, better? I wish I had all my 30+ years of unused sick leave available for use now! You are all just one bad car wreck, or illness, or EKG blip away from a 50% pay cut! I wish I had had it when I had Achilles surgery in 2010 and was out for 6 mos. and had to rely on DPMA to come even close to my normal monthly pay. |
It really bothers me that the MEC dropped the "Restoration" theme that many of the new reps and the new Chairman ran for election under. They seem to have completely forgotten about all the concessions we already gave the company in 2004+2006, and they won't even talk about restoring the DB plan. Much of those concessions are still in effect today, the company is earning unheard of billions, returning 70% of free cash flow to the shareholders, the majority of whom are Management, yet the MEC has never put together the amount of Billions that the PILOTS have given to the company!
Without a list of ongoing concessions and the cost savings to the company for same, why on earth are they considering giving the company MORE concessions?? In this round of negotiations, we should only be talking about RESTORING what we already gave away, now that those concessions are no longer needed to Save Delta. |
Originally Posted by Bluto
(Post 2163345)
Pilots are professionals and shouldn't fly when they are sick. Period.
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Originally Posted by 3 green
(Post 2163444)
You obviously do not fly narrowbody because you would know your statement is 100% false..Guys fly sick all the time. I see it a lot. It would only get worse if we got paid for unused sick time. I do see you wrote "SHOULDN'T", and not "DON'T" in your post.
The company wanted a use it or lose it system and now they are trying to punish us for using it. They could fix the problem over night if they would let us bank sick. Instead they are going the aggressive route of punishment and restrictions. Not very smart. |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 2163318)
I've always thought our unused sick leave should roll over to be available in the future, should you have something catastrophic happen. Twice I've had to go onto LTD because of long term illness. Both times were following years of minimal sick leave usage. Had our sick leave rolled over, I wouldn't have had to eat a 50% pay cut on LTD, and I'd still have a thousand hours in the bank.
NW had a bank, I never flew under that program but I've heard stories, perhaps the ones who have worked under that system can tell us if they like the Delta 270, use it or lose it, better? I wish I had all my 30+ years of unused sick leave available for use now! You are all just one bad car wreck, or illness, or EKG blip away from a 50% pay cut! |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 2163275)
It would be bad enough if this was the only concession. But I have heard from multiple, credible sources that is only one of many concessions. Including scope, and another LCA trip pull restriction. Line value relief too. IOW, working more.
Any one of those is an auto "no" for me, regardless of pay. More money AND more time off. |
Originally Posted by Hawaii50
(Post 2163460)
I totally agree with your the beginning of your post. Flown with many who've had the same problem. We need a system that banks/pays unused sick so you can use it when you really get sick. Talk to the guys living on a fraction of their monthly pay after a long battle with a terrible disease. One of the top issues in my survey. We need it yesterday. Sick leave is not personal time.
Rather than having 240-300 hours of non-bankable sick time with stupid verification rules, you get, let's say 100 hours per year and, if you have the need for something more serious/ longer stretch, you invoke ST disability at 100% of your wages (rather than the current 50%). ST disability, by its nature, will require verification...as it should. (And, for the record, long-term disability also needs to be worked on). Ready for incoming flaming.... |
Originally Posted by Schwanker
(Post 2163347)
Who's they? The MEC (local reps) or the MC/Negotiating committee? There is a difference. What if the these two aren't on the same page...
Hypothetically of course.... What if the negotiating committee already agreed to lots of concessions the majority of the reps are not okay with, but were just discovering??? Where do we go from there??? Maybe give your reps a call. Buh Bye ALPA. |
Originally Posted by Schwanker
(Post 2163347)
Who's they? The MEC (local reps) or the MC/Negotiating committee? There is a difference. What if the these two aren't on the same page...
Hypothetically of course.... What if the negotiating committee already agreed to lots of concessions the majority of the reps are not okay with, but were just discovering??? Where do we go from there??? Maybe give your reps a call. |
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