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orvil 07-24-2016 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2167067)
come on man, give us a hint. :D


Nah, I will wait to see how it develops. I don't have enough details to talk about it with certainty. What I'm hearing does make some sense. If you are going to do some sort of start up with world wide ops, you need big hours to drop insurance risk. The only way to get that is DEC from existing carriers. The party I have heard about has deep pockets, a need and the desire. We live in interesting times.

qball 07-24-2016 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 2167106)
Nah, I will wait to see how it develops. I don't have enough details to talk about it with certainty. What I'm hearing does make some sense. If you are going to do some sort of start up with world wide ops, you need big hours to drop insurance risk. The only way to get that is DEC from existing carriers. The party I have heard about has deep pockets, a need and the desire. We live in interesting times.

Do they serve Lutefisk in first class?

contrails 07-24-2016 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 2167106)
Nah, I will wait to see how it develops. I don't have enough details to talk about it with certainty. What I'm hearing does make some sense. If you are going to do some sort of start up with world wide ops, you need big hours to drop insurance risk. The only way to get that is DEC from existing carriers. The party I have heard about has deep pockets, a need and the desire. We live in interesting times.

Pax or freight?

Justdoinmyjob 07-24-2016 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 2167106)
Nah, I will wait to see how it develops. I don't have enough details to talk about it with certainty. What I'm hearing does make some sense. If you are going to do some sort of start up with world wide ops, you need big hours to drop insurance risk. The only way to get that is DEC from existing carriers. The party I have heard about has deep pockets, a need and the desire. We live in interesting times.

Just like Maxjet, Eros, and the others that turned billionaires to millionaires. Oh, maybe it's Family Airlines or Baltic!

Flyby1206 07-24-2016 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 2167106)
Nah, I will wait to see how it develops. I don't have enough details to talk about it with certainty. What I'm hearing does make some sense. If you are going to do some sort of start up with world wide ops, you need big hours to drop insurance risk. The only way to get that is DEC from existing carriers. The party I have heard about has deep pockets, a need and the desire. We live in interesting times.

One of the ME3 financing the startup of a US airline to provide TATL/TPAC service that ME3 are having difficulty getting approved for?

SawF16 07-24-2016 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 2167134)
Pax or freight?

My guess based on his "world wide ops" statement is he's talking about Amazon's rumored cargo startup. Still seems like it'd be cheaper in the long run to just buy out UPS, but who knows.

sailingfun 07-24-2016 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by SawF16 (Post 2167218)
My guess based on his "world wide ops" statement is he's talking about Amazon's rumored cargo startup. Still seems like it'd be cheaper in the long run to just buy out UPS, but who knows.

They could buy AMR, DAL and UAL for less then the UPS market cap.

SawF16 07-24-2016 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2167250)
They could buy AMR, DAL and UAL for less then the UPS market cap.

Touche.

As always, thanks for the insight!

BoilerUP 07-24-2016 02:14 PM

Amazon has already contracted with ATSG (ABX/ATI) for 20 767s and Atlas for 20 additional 767s. Having already committed contracts to the ACMI/contractor route, there wouldn't be any need for Bezos to hire direct entry captains from Delta/United/American/etc. to start up a global cargo airline.

SawF16 07-24-2016 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2167328)
Amazon has already contracted with ATSG (ABX/ATI) for 20 767s and Atlas for 20 additional 767s. Having already committed contracts to the ACMI/contractor route, there wouldn't be any need for Bezos to hire direct entry captains from Delta/United/American/etc. to start up a global cargo airline.

Thats true if they don't want to grow rapidly to replace their reliance on FedEx and/or UPS. Any rapid growth at a new air carrier will require DEC's at some point. Again *if*. I have no inside scoop, just heard rumors, & for all I know they'll realize that its cheaper to just let UPS and FedEx perform their core competency at a large scale and just stick to stocking merchandise and stuffing it in boxes.


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