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Old 07-26-2016 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Where's our huge win? All I see are lots of giveaways and big win for the company.
Ed's willing to give us total consciousness on our deathbed?
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Old 07-26-2016 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
Ed's willing to give us total consciousness on our deathbed?
He has a pool and a pond. Pond would be good for the pilots.
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Old 07-26-2016 | 10:10 AM
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Default the VB/TDY pitbull

Guys - one way to view Virtual Basing and TDY's for company convenience is like this:


It's a beautiful day, so you decide to take the twins out for some sunshine and fresh air in this spiffy new stroller you got. You are minding your own business when some guy flags you to a stop on the corner - it's the local drug-dealer walking his pitbull.

"Here, man - hold this!" he jives, thrusting the leash into your hand.

"Wait! What are you doing?" you protest.

"Hey, man, chicks dig Pits, you'll love it!" He calls out, as he jaunts across the street.


"But, but, I'm already married!" you protest further.


"Don't worry - he's trained" He yells back over his shoulder. "Don't forget to feed him!"


Now resigned, because you are a good guy, and don't want to disappoint anybody, you tie your new-found pet to the stoller, because you already have your hands full pushing the twins.

About that time - somebody's diaper needs changing. Why? Because shxx happens of course. You find a park bench and dig out a fresh diaper. By the third baby wipe (usually three, because you're an anal pilot, and two never seems quite clean enough, and four is just obviously OCD overkill) you are justifiably proud of your accomplishment, when it starts to go wrong.

A dumb little squirrel darts across the road.


Nooooooooooo (all this in slow motion), you pivot to see the pitbull charge off towards the squirrel.

He's tied to your stroller.


Who do you sacrifice? the kid laying on the park bench? or the one in the stroller headed towards the bus?



this is not our pitbull. Our dog is home. Let him lie there.
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Old 07-26-2016 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirtdiver
The real value is getting the camel's nose in the tent. Next thing you know we'll have a side letter allowing just a few ocean crossing pairs...and then one allowing them all.
Even sneakier would be a side letter re-defining "ocean".
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Old 07-26-2016 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by iFlyer
Guys - one way to view Virtual Basing and TDY's for company convenience is like this:


It's a beautiful day, so you decide to take the twins out for some sunshine and fresh air in this spiffy new stroller you got. You are minding your own business when some guy flags you to a stop on the corner - it's the local drug-dealer walking his pitbull.

"Here, man - hold this!" he jives, thrusting the leash into your hand.

"Wait! What are you doing?" you protest.

"Hey, man, chicks dig Pits, you'll love it!" He calls out, as he jaunts across the street.


"But, but, I'm already married!" you protest further.


"Don't worry - he's trained" He yells back over his shoulder. "Don't forget to feed him!"


Now resigned, because you are a good guy, and don't want to disappoint anybody, you tie your new-found pet to the stoller, because you already have your hands full pushing the twins.

About that time - somebody's diaper needs changing. Why? Because shxx happens of course. You find a park bench and dig out a fresh diaper. By the third baby wipe (usually three, because you're an anal pilot, and two never seems quite clean enough, and four is just obviously OCD overkill) you are justifiably proud of your accomplishment, when it starts to go wrong.

A dumb little squirrel darts across the road.


Nooooooooooo (all this in slow motion), you pivot to see the pitbull charge off towards the squirrel.

He's tied to your stroller.


Who do you sacrifice? the kid laying on the park bench? or the one in the stroller headed towards the bus?



this is not our pitbull. Our dog is home. Let him lie there.
Is this from Tommy Boy?
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Old 07-26-2016 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver
Is this from Tommy Boy?
No. Whozzat?
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Old 07-26-2016 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
Ed's willing to give us total consciousness on our deathbed?
Which is nice.
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Old 07-26-2016 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by iFlyer


this is not our pitbull. Our dog is home. Let him lie there.
I love it! Fantastic analogy!
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Old 08-10-2016 | 07:29 AM
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I'm going to agree with both PD and Jerry on this one. I didn't like VB before, and I don't like it now. If none of these guys wanted it, why is it on there?

Same reason I guess the MEC is agreeing to cab fares in NYC, or the VEBA, or instructor bennies: horse-trading at the MEC. Some of it, I totally understand, some of it, I don't.

The VEBA, for example. I'm still trying to understand how it works. How does that saying go gain: "from each according to his means, to each according to his means?"

First time I've ever seen a forced voluntary program.
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Old 08-10-2016 | 07:31 AM
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I will take exception to the title, however. I don't think Malone/DeRosa/Martin are the most powerful leaders on the MEC. I listened to DeRosa talk to his pilots in ATL, and he actually struck me as pragmatic and smart, and he seemed to be interested in finding a path to a deal. Malone seems interested in delivering a product we can judge for ourselves.

If these three were the most powerful leaders on the MEC, I think we'd have a deal to vote on.

As it stands now, I think they're facing a recall attempt.
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