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Originally Posted by Free Bird
(Post 2168507)
Year 2000 / DAL profit margin around 6% / DAL profit around 1.3 Billion and the result in 2001 was C2K. Year 2016 / DAL profit margin around 19% / DAL profit around 8 Billion and the result is we need to give up jobs just to hit the pay rates in 2004. Hold the line and see this contract through self-help if necessary. We are never going to get anything more than what management is willing to "give" us without a bare knuckle fight. |
Originally Posted by Smoke Toliet
(Post 2169033)
From an AA guy to you. Your much better off with ALPA. APA can only dream to accomplish what DL/UAL ALPA have done.
You are welcome to join ALPA anytime you wish! |
Originally Posted by Lifeisgood
(Post 2169163)
Capt. Toliet,
You are welcome to join ALPA anytime you wish! |
Tim Caplinger for President! He'll get us everything and more.
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Originally Posted by BobZ
(Post 2169093)
If one attributes KCM to alpa's legacy of success..... than one must also attribute failure to achieve increased security, hardening of cockpit doors, and elimination of things likes knives from the pre-911 reality.
Let alone questioning the prudence of the FAA 'Common Strategy' crew behavior requirements in light of the evolving nature and intent of security threats. Oh yeah, and for opposing the FFDO program. Economics, and crew resistance drove the expedited crew pass through of TSA security. ALPA may have had some hand in shaping the form/function of KCM......but mostly they claim success for something that was going to happen anyways. ALPA is not a proactive organization. There is too much risk in that arena. Otherwise they would be full speed ahead in congress on things like lifting 415c ceilings, and requiring reorganized corporations to backstop PBGC benefits. |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 2169176)
Tim Caplinger for President! He'll get us everything and more.
Caplinger did a damn good job of targeting the shortcomings that make ALPA such a clusterjob when he penned the organizational bylaws of DPA. Rules that prevent the piggies from getting to the trough again and again and again. Given what we have seen within the inner circle of DALPA this past decade, you have to be a complete moron not to see the benefits of taking our representation to a superior governing structure. An organization willing to fight for average Joe line pilot...so he can spend time with his family and enjoy life during his working years and well into retirement. |
Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2169068)
how many cards does DPA need to force a CBA vote? I have no idea how any of this stuff works.
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Originally Posted by tunes
(Post 2169208)
bump......
Most Moakies ask the "how many cards" question to cast doubt on DPA's viability. Bottom line, with every misstep ALPA takes, the cards re-up and DPA is closer to getting full access to present directly to the pilot group. At that point ALPA would need to defend their record. This is what really scares Moakies. The representative group (ALPA, DPA, IPA, etc) with the most convincing argument would then be VOTED in by the pilot group. |
Originally Posted by MtEverest
(Post 2169215)
My understanding, they have gotten within 400 of the total number needed. A card is only good for one year. There is a constant flux as cards go inactive and new/renewal cards are submitted. Active cards are what is required. That number may be a couple thousand short. This engaged pilot group could change that number very quickly if things continue the way they are going.
Most Moakies ask the "how many cards" question to cast doubt on DPA's viability. Bottom line, with every misstep ALPA takes, the cards re-up and DPA is closer to getting full access to present directly to the pilot group. At that point ALPA would need to defend their record. This is what really scares Moakies. The representative group (ALPA, DPA, IPA, etc) with the most convincing argument would then be VOTED in by the pilot group. |
Originally Posted by deadseal
(Post 2169141)
I want to see the final product before I react
First JM says they can address legitimate operational needs. Apparently, every want the company has just happens to fit the bill. |
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