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Rolf 08-29-2016 02:06 PM

I'm looking forward to reading section 1. The company wants it something fierce and that makes me....hesitant.

Trip7 08-29-2016 02:31 PM

This deal is less total compensation than Delta TA1. There would be a riot if in 3 years a 15% raise was offered and "full" retro based on 3-4% raises per year.

From the amendable date this is effectively a UPS type 3/4/4/4/3/3/3 raise.

The addition of a B plan is a very nice gain for them.

buckleyboy 08-29-2016 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2191060)
This deal is less total compensation than Delta TA1.

Only if you include the PS trade for the 6% raise from TA1 is SWA more. Did SWAPA buy their pay raises?
You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Hank Kingsley 08-29-2016 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2191060)
This deal is less total compensation than Delta TA1. There would be a riot if in 3 years a 15% raise was offered and "full" retro based on 3-4% raises per year.

From the amendable date this is effectively a UPS type 3/4/4/4/3/3/3 raise.

The addition of a B plan is a very nice gain for them.

Care to be more specific

formerdal 08-29-2016 02:57 PM

If I had to guess I would say the B-Plan is their 401k and it is being increased from 9.3% up to 15% over 3 years to get where ours is...

Trip7 08-29-2016 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 2191070)
Only if you include the PS trade for the 6% raise from TA1 is SWA more. Did SWAPA buy their pay raises?
You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

8/0/3/3 is the same as 4/4/3/3.

Anyways that's all theoretical.

Bottom line, SWA and UPS type 3/3/3/3/3/3/3 deals will not help our case in the eyes of the NMB to get anywhere remotely close to 22/7/7. It'll be a win if we can get the rumored 18/4/4.

hindsight2020 08-29-2016 03:20 PM

15% B-fund. Sweet. Now we're talking.

tunes 08-29-2016 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2191098)
8/0/3/3 is the same as 4/4/3/3.

Anyways that's all theoretical.

Bottom line, SWA and UPS type 3/3/3/3/3/3/3 deals will not help our case in the eyes of the NMB to get anywhere remotely close to 22/7/7. It'll be a win if we can get the rumored 18/4/4.

looks like you are back to your old ways...we all knew it wouldn't last long.

TriStar_drvr 08-29-2016 03:39 PM

To clarify, SWA Uses a Trip for Pay (TFP) as the unit for pay. Current 12 year captain is $189.78 per TFP. The union uses a conversion factor of 1.149 to convert this to an hourly wage. Thus current hourly rate equivalent is $218.06 and the Agreement rate effective Oct 1 would be $250.76

Trip7 08-29-2016 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by hindsight2020 (Post 2191099)
15% B-fund. Sweet. Now we're talking.

Delta currently has a 15% B fund.



Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2191102)
looks like you are back to your old ways...we all knew it wouldn't last long.

If you see how this deal helps us achieve our opener let me know. I'm all ears


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